Monday, January 11, 2010

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  • HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS [3 Updates]
  • Buying products in the Private: is it possible? [1 Update]
  • SOS [1 Update]
  • filling out 1040 [1 Update]
  • Help on Banking OID [2 Updates]
  • the sytem will not leave me alone [1 Update]
  • beneficial interest [1 Update]
  • Returned Answer on [4 Updates]
  • Returned answer on [1 Update]
  • UNSUBSCRIBE [2 Updates]
  • Canadian Creditors in Commerce TalkShoe Tuesday12 Jan night call - one hour early [1 Update]
  • Mortgages [1 Update]
  • LiveWater Life [1 Update]
  • Birth Certificate Bond [1 Update]
  • FORECLOSURES -JERRY KANE ON TALKSHOE- DAVE JUST 9PM EST MON [1 Update]
  • Liberty Dollar [1 Update]
  • keys to freedom the Trust [1 Update]
  • Chief Financial Officer of a United States District Court? [1 Update]
Topic: HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS
    Neo Jan 11 05:46PM -0800 ^

    Hi Bruce,

    I could use a more organized system...

    James

    Sovereignman Jan 11 08:24PM -0800 ^

    Bruce,

    Would you please send me your organization method? Thank you.

    Jerry


    On Dec 31 2009, 5:47 pm, "Bruce Meyers"
    wrote:

    csandm Jan 12 12:25AM -0800 ^

    Please send organization method I must have missed it too

Topic: Buying products in the Private: is it possible?
    Manji Jan 11 10:44PM -0800 ^

    Hello everyone~

    I have a really wacky idea I was wondering anyone might be interested
    in sharing some of their feedback on.

    I wonder if it might be possible to sign for a product in the private;

    I figure that, if it is true everything is prepaid, that our private
    asset accounts are funding corporations to produce the products we
    enjoy, and if there is only $$$, (<----funny money) instead of real "money" to buy a product with, could it be possible for us to sign for it in the private? I comprehend that we are much better off with credit cards but, I figure, why not give it a shot!? Basically, I think if we ask the CFO to send a presentment for a product, A4V it to turn it into a money order, mail it to the CFO with instructions to mail to the private side of the IRS, make it payable to the Treasury and the corporation you wan to "buy" from. I think when we A4V a traffic ticket, it becomes a money order but, I think we do not concern ourselves with what the recipient may do with our A4V ticket because, as far as we are concerned, we made the ticket go out of our hands and put in someone else's hands but, if we want to sign for a product, it might be helpful to know what the recipient would do with our A4V Money Order. Well, I have babbled enough about my really wacky idea. If anyone could be so kind to share their thoughts, opinions, feedback, criticisms, and or ideas, I would greatly appreciate it. Well, I wish wonderful things for everyone this 2010. Damean Loving Kindness

Topic: SOS
    Vet Jan 11 09:41PM -0800 ^

    Gorgecure,

    You can write a bond off you birth bond or a BPN and send it to the
    County Tax Collector and do a fiduciary appointment to him/her to
    settle and close the matter. Make the bond or BPN out to the US
    Treasury and the City or County of _________. There should be a some
    info on the fiduciary appt. in the files section. You can also file a
    form 56 and do a limited Fid. appt. with IRS for the Mr./Mrs.
    __________, D/B/A County Tax Collector.

    Just a thought anyone else have a suggestion.?/

    Vet

Topic: filling out 1040
    rosemary parker Jan 11 08:52PM -0800 ^

    does one have to put 0's for deductions or just leave it blank as one would
    do with the filing status?

Topic: Help on Banking OID
    onijunbei Jan 11 12:16PM -0800 ^

    maybe I can take a crack at this.

    I like Jared's OID method of just making the 2 boxes the same amount
    ( 1 and 4 I believe)

    on the 1040: I ran some numbers thru and this is what I got. My
    example uses 20000 as income(from a w2)
    and 20000 on an OID/1099A

    line 7 is for your w2 info(20000)
    line 8a would be other taxable interest(im thinking total of your
    OID's/1099A's)
    why? Cause one is receiving interest from the bank as income, it is
    interest that came into being
    from the private to the public, and now one has to claim it and pay
    taxes on it.

    line 22, add up all income(40000)
    line 37, if you use adjustments, you would subtract this from line 22
    (40000)
    line 38, same as line 37(carry over amount)40000
    line 40A, your standard deduction . I use the 5700
    line 41 comes to 34300
    line 42 exemption , mine is 3650 for this example
    line 43, taxable income, 30650
    line 44, the tax (yes, you have to pay tax on "money of account",
    this is "use tax" on using the federal reserve banking system)
    so line 44, 46, 55, and 60 are all 4176 for my example using the tax
    table on page 80 for the 1040 booklet
    line 61, federal income tax withheld from forms w2 and 1099
    (VOILA!!!!) 20000 plus 1500 for example on w2
    line 71, 21500
    line 72, REFUND, 17324

    so , in this example, using these figures on the lines mentioned
    I have paid tax on the 20000 OID, and am receiving the difference
    back, and settling the W2 as well.

    Just my 2 cents
    someone please correct me if I messed up
    especially YOU JARED LOL ,,, love ya buddy

    Jarred Sawczyszyn Jan 11 08:41PM -0800 ^

    That is absolutely fabulous. lol

    To be fully honest I was really tossed up on exactly how to
    fill out the form 1040, I got the A/OID down.

    I always over think when it comes to filling forms out, lol I
    fight with the grammar with it.

    You pretty much threw an example right over mine explaining the
    taxes portion. Codos :-D

    Always nice to have clear "examples" as a reference for thinking.
    Pushes for right path.

Topic: the sytem will not leave me alone
    mike gonnella Jan 11 08:25PM -0800 ^

    I went to court and did not enter any plea but agreed to a trial. After the fact i realized i messed up because i agreed to go to trial. Nothing is filed on my behalf with the courts and i recieved a letter today that states This court court has accepted your not guilty plea. You have been scheduled for trial The charges our in N.Y state VTL 1225-C 02A Viol Misc Rules and VtL 0511 01A Agg unlic oper3. This is my third time driving w/o a license. If someone could help me out I am greatly thankful. I have a learning disablilty and am doing the best I can to study law/ mind games etc

Topic: beneficial interest
    "J.D.B" Jan 11 10:49PM -0500 ^

    Affidavit of beneficial interest
    or
    Notice of beneficial interest

    Does anybody have a good template?

    --
    James of the Bogan Family
    Bogan Investments LLC.
    "Without Prejudice" "Without Recourse"
    Skype: Bogan.Investment

Topic: Returned Answer on
    Donna Lee Jan 11 08:47PM -0500 ^

    Hey Dave,

    Are you the same Dave who interviewed Janet Majhor from Oregon re: the Grand Jury? If so, I was very impressed with that call. You're a natural brother!


    Donna Lee

    From: mack2001@swbell.net
    To: creditors-in-commerce@googlegroups.com
    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] Returned Answer on
    Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:31 -0600

    You are mostly right except for the very end.
    The negative averment is done ONLY by a secured party and it is done in
    Admiralty so you have taken everything out of the jurisdiction of the equity
    courts. They can't fold, spindle and mutilate the law to make it mean what
    they want it to so they can persecute you. Admiralty is strictly contract
    law and you do not go back to their court to collect. You do a Nihil Dicit
    judgment and then take that into a maritime lien which is a superior lien to all
    others. You can then either monetize the lien in various ways, do
    involuntary BK on them (except banks) or any number of other things. We
    stay out of equity from the gitgo when you do the averment. It is a paper
    process. This is the Tim Turner process.

    Dave

    http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/

    Max Hemmingway Jan 11 06:05PM -0800 ^

    > You are mostly right except for the very end. The negative averment is done ONLY by a secured party
    Let's see now. The secured party is always the plaintiff in any law
    suit. Defendants have no security interest in anything since they have
    no note with which to secure anything. Only defendants have any need
    for negative averments and they should never use them because if they
    use a negative averment they must prove the negative.

    and it is done in Admiralty
    I presume you are talking about Admiralty Courts. Let's see what an
    Admiralty Court is and where we find them.
    In the United States, the federal district courts have jurisdiction
    over all admiralty and maritime actions; see 28 U.S.C. § 1333.

    so you have taken everything out of the jurisdiction of the equity
    courts.
    Ok, now that we understand what an Admiralty court is now we must turn
    to equity courts to see what they are.
    Definition:
    A chancery court, equity court or court of equity is a court that is
    authorized to apply principles of equity, as opposed to law, to cases
    brought before it.

    The decisions of equity courts, then, are not precedent-setting. These
    courts began with petitions to the Lord Chancellor of England. Equity
    courts "handled lawsuits and petitions requesting remedies other than
    damages, such as writs, injunctions, and specific performance." Most
    were eventually "merged with courts of law."

    United States bankruptcy courts are the one example of federal courts
    which operate as courts of equity. Some common law jurisdictions--such
    as the U.S. states of Delaware, Mississippi, New Jersey, South
    Carolina, and Tennessee--preserve the distinctions between law and
    equity and between courts of law and courts of equity.

    They can't fold, spindle and mutilate the law to make it mean what
    they want it to so they can persecute you. Admiralty is strictly
    contract law and you do not go back to their court to collect. You do
    a Nihil Dicit judgment

    Well, let's define that term first so everybody understands what we
    are talking about.
    Definition:
    NIHIL DICIT
    NIHIL DICIT. He says nothing. It is the failing of the defendant to
    put in a plea or answer to the plaintiff's declaration by the day
    assigned; and in plea or answer to the plaintiff's declaration by the
    day assigned; and in this case judgment is given against the defendant
    of course, as he says nothing why it should not.
    That is nothing more than a default judgment which of course can only
    be entered against a defendant because he failed to respond to the
    complaint of the plaintiff.

    and then take that into a maritime lien which is a superior lien to
    all others. You can then either monetize the lien in various ways, do
    involuntary BK on them (except banks) or any number of other things.
    We stay out of equity from the gitgo when you do the averment. It is
    a paper process. This is the Tim Turner process.

    > Dave
    Tim Turner may indeed be a prestigious person On the other hand, I
    must admit that I may be as green as a gourd and as dumb as a fence
    post so I have to get my understanding the good old fashioned way
    taught to me by my daddy who used to constantly tell me, "Son, if you
    don't know what a word means go look it up in the dictionary" every
    time I asked him what something meant. In fact that is how I learned
    about sex. I heard daddy holler "OH F~~~! when he hit his thumb with
    a hammer. I ran to the dictionary and looked up the word and sure
    enough, I quickly learned all about sex thanks to my good old daddy.
    If he hadn't hit his thumb with that hammer I may never have learned
    about sex.

    Now then, Tim Turner not withstanding, I find that according to
    Black's dictionary of law, an Admiralty court has jurisdiction over
    vessels (not vassals) of the sea and maritime shipping disputes while
    a court of equity is the one (singluar) example:
    United States bankruptcy courts are the one (example) federal courts
    which operate as courts of equity
    In otherwords the only courts we have in our modern system of
    jurisdictions which are courts of equity are United States Bankruptcy
    Courts. Needless to say, we don't want to go there but on the other
    hand how do we landlubbers come to operate as vessels upon the open
    sea thereby coming under the jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court? I
    can't even swim let alone fight sharks and whales or other denizens of
    the deep.

    You and many others obviously consider Mr. Turner as your source of
    authority. That's fine. I have no problem with that. Let's you elect
    Tim Turner and others of his ilk be your guiding lights. I'll stick
    with the good old dictionary my daddy taught me to use oh so many
    years ago.

    Fathom Worldwide Jan 11 07:34PM -0700 ^

    Tim Turner may not be an authority but his process sure does work. I'm
    undefeated with it and that's good enough for me. The negative averment he
    uses does rearrange the plaintiff defendant relationship. When you
    counterclaim you make the plaintiff the third party defendants and you the
    real man the third party plaintiff. Works every time, err, so far knock on
    wood. lol

    Max Hemmingway Jan 11 07:23PM -0800 ^

    I may have to look into his method although I have no idea how to find
    Mr. Turner or his methods. I do much the same thing except in federal
    courts. Learning how to do the same thing in local courts might be
    helpful indeed. I'm more than willing to look at Mr.Turner's work or
    that of anyone else with an open mind.Nobody that I have run into yet
    has all the answers down pat so anything "new" might be very helpful
    indeed. Maybe you could guide me to some of Mr. Turner's work.



    -

Topic: Returned answer on
    Dan Ecklund Jan 11 07:13PM -0800 ^

    Max,
    I think that it is unfortunate that you are ignoring years of
    successful use of negative averments, as currently taught by Tim
    Turner, and originated by others. There is a whole process of
    negative averment, commercial claim, notice of fault/opportunity to
    cure, notice of dishonor, and commercial lien that has been used quite
    successfully. I have over 40 of these currently underway, mostly
    against government officials, but also banks. YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO
    TO COURT when you use this process. I tried the court thing, then I
    listened to Gordon Hall's Rancho Cucamonga seminar and realized that
    the only thing that you get when you go to court is a judgment. You
    don't get any money! Collecting money is an entirely different
    process. In Admiralty, you don't need to go to court to have a
    judgment. You present your claim, tell how your claim may be
    satisfied, and if it is unrebutted and dishonored, you establish that
    through notary presentments, and then file a lien. You can then
    collect from a bonding company, or from the individual, after he
    realizes that the lien has royally messed up his commercial life. I
    understand that TT is also working with some big names as far as doing
    actual collections against these liens, bank and salary garnishments,
    etc. All without going to the courts.

    I suggest that you explore some of these technologies before you
    pronounce them unfit.

    Dan

    Just shoot your harddrive!

Topic: Canadian Creditors in Commerce TalkShoe Tuesday12 Jan night call - one hour early
    justanotherNAME Jan 11 06:42PM -0800 ^

    Thank you. Much appreciated, eh?
    Richard from NWO
    (Northwestern Ontario)

    mok ker wrote:

Topic: Mortgages
    Neo Jan 11 06:18PM -0800 ^

    Is a mortgage created in 2005 OIDable? What if it was "Modified" in
    2009? If so, are the check payments mad on said mortgage also OIDable?
    Are Debit card transactions OIDable?
    Where might one find one's EIN?

    Merci beaucoup

    James

Topic: LiveWater Life
    Pep Jan 11 06:13PM -0800 ^

    Thanks for the Information.
    We have been using rain water collected into 25,000 gallon concrete
    tank on a farm. The water mostly goes through filters before it
    reaches the house. Sometimes use Collodial silver carbon filter? No
    Fluoride for years!!! Would you be concerned about the chemical
    spraying that can end up in your water tank?

    I gather rain water is alkaline, yet I am still acidic. Currently
    taking Miracle Mineral Supplement to avoid antibiotics for tooth
    abscess/glands infection and mostly on a very healthy diet, little to
    no processed foods and love fruit and salads. My hubby reckons I don't
    drink enough water. Any suggestion to further help to alkaline your
    body and is there an easy way to test yourself?
    How this, I recently heard at a seminar that COLD drinks are no good
    for you as it can turn the fats in your body into solids! Better for
    it to be room temperature.
    Sorry for the questions but you seem to know what you are on about and
    your post raised some important questions.
    Cheers and may you find the answers you seek.
    Pep

Topic: Birth Certificate Bond
    im4truth Jan 11 06:09PM -0800 ^

    Hi,
    I made a typo on my Birth Certificate Bond and Notice. The registered
    mail receipt number and subsequently the bond number was incorrectly
    transcribed. The actual number begins with RB but I put in RR. How do
    I correct this mistake?

Topic: FORECLOSURES -JERRY KANE ON TALKSHOE- DAVE JUST 9PM EST MON
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Topic: Liberty Dollar
    UbiquitousMe Jan 11 05:47PM -0800 ^

    Wow,

    I have a couple hundred of those plus a few gold ones.

    In fact, I frequently take them out and act like I am going to buy
    something with them and try to take them back. More often than not,
    people want to see it and usually buy it.

    Never had any problem selling them for more than $10 each and a few
    for as much as $20. If you know of anyone else who wants to unload
    them for that price please let me know.

    You did however, get a typical first offer price from a wholesaler.
    By any chance did you counter offer?
Topic: keys to freedom the Trust
    Eric Jan 11 05:26PM -0800 ^

    does any one have the rest to this post in word or pdf, or at all. it
    got cut off thanks
Topic: Chief Financial Officer of a United States District Court?

Creditors-in-commerce daily digest for 01/11/2010

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  • HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS [2 Updates]
  • [No Subject] [1 Update]
  • Becoming a Creditor: Window of opportunity will close: Meaning??? [2 Updates]
  • Colorado's Ultimate Ski Bum Jailed [1 Update]
  • CHRISTIAN WALTERS LINK 7PM ET SAT [1 Update]
  • Wanted AFV success stories to be shared [1 Update]
  • Jurisdiction Question [2 Updates]
  • 1099-OID scams getting shut down by IRS [2 Updates]
  • Return To Sender [1 Update]
  • Rejection of Fiduciary Appointment [1 Update]
  • Lowering Credit Limit [1 Update]
  • You can a4v your BC but can you a4v your SScard and gain more control over Cestui Que Trust [1 Update]
Topic: HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS
    Berticus Jan 10 09:12PM -0800 ^

    On Dec 31 2009, 6:47 pm, "Bruce Meyers"
    wrote:

    PopPopCraig Jan 10 11:05PM -0800 ^

    Hello Bruce,
    I am one ot those who did not receive your "Simple Way To Organize
    Documents." I would really appreciate your trying to send it again.
    THANKS,
    Craig

    On Dec 31 2009, 6:47 pm, "Bruce Meyers"
    wrote:

Topic: [No Subject]
    jorgecure thomas Jan 10 09:39PM -0800 ^

    Does anyone know how long it takes after you A4V the docs to the IRS does it take for them to contact the individual you A4V"ed, and pay them off? lets say your "local property tax collector"

Topic: Becoming a Creditor: Window of opportunity will close: Meaning???
    Manji Jan 10 08:53PM -0800 ^

    I am listening to an audio of Jack Smith at a retreat in Cleveland,
    2009 November, 11th. In the retreat, workshop, seminar, whatever you
    wanna call it, he said:

    "I believe we've go three years to turn yourself around and become a
    creditor, rather than a debtor. Because if you don't your window of
    opportunity will close."

    Why would that happen?

    I have my own imagination as why that would happen but, I would like
    hear everyone else's thoughts one why they think that would happen.

    Why would the window of opportunity to become a creditor would be
    closing somewhere in the near future say, 1-5 years. Jack put the
    window to close at 2012 or at least around that time.

    Do you even think the window of opportunity is even gonna close at
    all?

    Jack also talked about a situation where "they" are gonna come to our
    homes and tell us that they gotta take our homes and put us somewhere.

    How might that happen?

    Well, I have my own imagination as to how that might happen and if you
    interested, please free to ask. I'd be more than happy to share. But,
    I would like to hear everyone's thoughts about what Jack is talking
    about.

    Well, I wish everyone love and safety.

    Damean

    Loving Kindness

    Max Hemmingway Jan 10 09:27PM -0800 ^


    > Why would the window of opportunity to become a creditor would be
    > closing somewhere in the near future say, 1-5 years. Jack put the
    > window to close at 2012 or at least around that time.

    Strange. The ancient Mayan calendar predicted that the world would
    come to an end in December 2012. Nostradamus also predicted the end of
    the world in 2012. Several other studies and prophets have also
    predicted the end of the world in 2012. None of them seem to have any
    idea of how that is going to happen but there are no end of such
    predictions
    Could he have been reading the Mayan Calendar or Nostradamus?

    > Do you even think the window of opportunity is even gonna close at
    > all?

    We will all just have to wait and see, won't we?

    > Jack also talked about a situation where "they" are gonna come to our
    > homes and tell us that they gotta take our homes and put us somewhere.

    > How might that happen?

    If "they" were to do that then there would be no consumers to buy
    their goods and services and "they" would all go broke in a big hurry
    trying to support us. Even genocide such as Hitler tried costs a lot
    of money and was what actually ruined Germany's economy more than
    anything else. Had he put all those people to work instead of killing
    them he might have had a vibrant economy. Instead he killed off his
    work force and wasted Germany's resources in a useless war. I doubt
    "they" will be so stupid as to do anything like that.

Topic: Colorado's Ultimate Ski Bum Jailed
    mountainmark Jan 10 08:09PM -0800 ^

    This poor guy has been in a Georgetown,Colo jail for 57 days now for
    simply sleeping in his car at the ski resort. He faces 2 years in
    federal prison and $250,000 in fines. This guy's a land lubber skier
    out to hurt no one, and has no clue that his vessel in commerce has
    just been boarded by maritime pirates out for profit and booty! Any
    ideas on how to mount a defense or get this guy out (out to where I'm
    not sure)? BC and A4V the charges? Plead guilty and pay fine with
    pre-paid exemption? GSA forms? Ideas are needed! Thanks!

    http://www.9news.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=130495&catid=222

Topic: CHRISTIAN WALTERS LINK 7PM ET SAT
    John Ingress Jan 10 10:51PM -0500 ^

    I believe he points to one success, which he discusses briefly in the
    attached doc, "Creating trusts". It's what started him down this road.
    They were in court trying to stop a foreclosure, and they got it
    postponed. Here's what he says:
    . A practical example; a mortgage foreclosure case, where foreclosure
    sale was set before any documents had been filed, and the documents
    were prepared that expressed the trust in three lines and a footnote
    and case cites. The court construed the trust and appointed the
    trustee as defendant. Our “Notice of Interest” (a statement that we
    are expressing the trust), alleged that the defendant was the
    beneficiary now, not the trustee, as the court had construed. The sale
    was postponed two hours before it was set to go.
    We determined that the reasons for the postponement were 1) any time
    the trustee and the beneficiary are one and the same, the trust
    freezes, or terminates. The court construed or implied the trustee to
    be the defendant, where we came in and expressed the trustee to be the
    beneficiary, freezing the trust.
    2) More importantly, we filed the SOI, Statement of Interest, and that
    has to be filed within 30 days of claiming the NOI, because the NOI
    times out. This gives the court notice of a claim, so it could not
    give free and clear title with a notice of adverse claim
    SOI supports the fact that we are the grantor and the beneficiary.
    That case collapsed, disappeared. (The SOI is CCI, Confidential
    Commercial Information).
    [the other two doc's I just finished, for your enjoyment. As always,
    they are not verbatim, so, prima facia, can nay be construed as legal
    advice] P,S. ResisTyr, you are IN the pool, in the DEEP END, hopefully
    this is your/our lifeline.

Topic: Wanted AFV success stories to be shared
    Loving the truth Jan 10 07:51PM -0800 ^

    Congrats.... glad to hear good news.

Topic: Jurisdiction Question
    jman636 Jan 10 06:30PM -0800 ^

    Hi All,

    A quick question regarding jurisdiction with commercial processes. As
    indicated in the various classes, the public is "Disneyland" - an
    illusion where nothing works as it should; the land of color and
    nobility (inequity). Further, Jack or Brandon mention in one of the
    recent conferences that an Affidavit in the public is heresay...
    however in the private it carries full weight.

    So the question is: can a process perfected in/from the public be
    enforced as readily as one in/from the private? It would make sense
    given the background above that a public process could not be as
    readily enforced (in this case I refer to enforcement as the execution
    of a commercial lien). In what cases would one be better than the
    other? Certainly the IRS and others are able to perfect processes in
    the public - since obviously it's all contract. But if Affidavits in
    public are heresay, how could they ever create a solid foundation for
    a lien?

    Would love to hear from someone who has perfected a public or private
    process and executed a lien. I'm preparing to do my 1st.

    Namaste

    Eli Lilly Jan 10 10:41PM -0500 ^

    An affidavit is hearsay, if not recorded in the public, not dishonored, and not sworn by a public official such as a notary. Everything can be considered hearsay if its not given by the individual who has first hand knowledge. Ive rarely seen private processes work, but to each its on. Just make sure if you make a claim against the treasury/us that it be congruent with the Federal Claims Act.

    Subject: Jurisdiction Question

    Hi All,

    A quick question regarding jurisdiction with commercial processes. As
    indicated in the various classes, the public is "Disneyland" - an
    illusion where nothing works as it should; the land of color and
    nobility (inequity). Further, Jack or Brandon mention in one of the
    recent conferences that an Affidavit in the public is heresay...
    however in the private it carries full weight.

    So the question is: can a process perfected in/from the public be
    enforced as readily as one in/from the private? It would make sense
    given the background above that a public process could not be as
    readily enforced (in this case I refer to enforcement as the execution
    of a commercial lien). In what cases would one be better than the
    other? Certainly the IRS and others are able to perfect processes in
    the public - since obviously it's all contract. But if Affidavits in
    public are heresay, how could they ever create a solid foundation for
    a lien?

    Would love to hear from someone who has perfected a public or private
    process and executed a lien. I'm preparing to do my 1st.

    Namaste

Topic: 1099-OID scams getting shut down by IRS
    Jason A Jan 10 06:36PM -0800 ^

    He meant the "dolts" are the people that are jumping into OID
    processes without knowing exactly what they're doing and how to handle
    themselves.

    Max Hemmingway Jan 10 07:15PM -0800 ^

    . A "dolt" position is
    > not a fun one to be in. We spear headed the process and now this is
    > the thanks we are getting.
    You say "we spear headed the process" but that definitely begs the
    question of "Who gets the shaft?" Every spear has a shaft so who gets
    the shaft in this one? The answer is, of course, those who blindly
    follow the spearhead without doing any of their own research to find
    out how valid the thinking might be or what the consequences might
    be.

    Everyone languishing in Club Fed got in that position because they did
    the same thing. They failed to think. They failed to reason and they
    failed to do their own research. They blindly followed some spearhead
    and ened up getting the shaft.

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Topic: Return To Sender
    Richard Jan 10 07:14PM -0800 ^

    Can anyone offer text they have successfully used regarding "Return To
    Sender" when one does not what to contract with the Sender? I presume
    RETURN TO SENDER would be written on the envelope, what if anything is
    written on the offer? Thanks for the help.

    jman636 Jan 10 06:45PM -0800 ^

    I really don't know where you are coming from on all of this and am
    trying to understand the situation here. You realize of course that
    the president of your HOA can't cash in that A4V anymore than you can.
    Knowing this, aren't you dishonoring the original contract (I assume
    there was one)? The reason we use judges, CFOs, IRS and the like is
    because most of these people know exactly what to do with A4Vs. Put
    yourself in the shoes of this guy. Has he not taken responsibility to
    collect and appropriate funds for the betterment of the community? Did
    you not agree to this at some point? How exactly do you feel justified
    in dishonoring this/these individual(s)? Do you believe these
    technologies are intented for us to all run around being irresponsible
    and derelict in our duty to the communities in which we live? Forgive
    me because I don't know the story here - I'm just going on the
    information I have. Please help us understand what this is about. It
    sounds like you are trying to perfect a process on someone who trying
    to honor his responsibilities to the community... and from his
    perspective you just gave him a bag of dirt and a xerox'd $500
    Monopoly bill. Imagine when it's payday (assuming you work and receive
    a paycheck) your boss came up to you and said "here's your paycheck...
    it's an A4V... have a nice day. If you don't like it, argue and I'll
    lien you up". Is that who we are?

    Namaste.

Topic: Lowering Credit Limit
    Jason A Jan 10 06:40PM -0800 ^

    The lowering can be done because your acceptance of the card terms
    permitted them to do it. It's in there, I've looked. But I would say
    yes, you can always conditionally accept changes in the contract. It
    may not do any good unless you find some way to enforce it though.

Topic: You can a4v your BC but can you a4v your SScard and gain more control over Cestui Que Trust
    Natty Jan 10 06:34PM -0800 ^

    Greetings All,

    I was thinking that maybe a4ving the sscard will give you more control
    over the cestui que account and make the reality of getting every a4v
    approved increase. Is this possible? Anyone try it? Maybe you can do a
    bond with it like the BC but just change the numbers etc?

    Peace,
    Isatu


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