Thursday, January 7, 2010

Creditors-in-commerce Daily Digest for 01/07/2010




  • Birth Certificates and Bonds [4 Updates]

  • [No Subject] [3 Updates]

  • "Part 1.2" attachment [2 Updates]

  • Finding the TRUSTEE [2 Updates]

  • What will You do? [1 Update]

  • AFVing an IRS bill? [2 Updates]

  • Pastor Tony King [1 Update]

  • "Enemy Combatant" [1 Update]

  • NON-DOMESTIC Without US [1 Update]

  • Help on Banking OID [1 Update]

  • Finding EIN numbers, CEOs and getting information [1 Update]

  • Bank Fraud Package - Learn, Apply and Pass on the Knowledge [1 Update]

  • Dever Area group [1 Update]

  • Need a Notary in Las Vegas who can do Notary Presentment [1 Update]

  • A new idea [1 Update]

  • Video: "Suspected Enemy combantant" no longer a "Person" [1 Update]

  • Remedy After Dishonor: (is this possible)? [1 Update]



Topic:Birth Certificates and Bonds


    John Ingress huboftheclub@gmail.com Jan 06 07:52PM -0500 ^

    Christian Walters has an interesting point of view about AFV the BC.


    fisherman cleardayland@live.com Jan 06 07:15PM -0800 ^

    I have a good bond example, and was under the impression that filling
    the UCC1 would register my bond making it public. The un-employment
    is a good question I have the same type of questions regarding taking
    any benifits from the state when trying to create your privite vessel
    in the private jurisdiction. Sorry, to here about the job loss.
    Where do you call home?
    Clear


    fisherman cleardayland@live.com Jan 06 07:43PM -0800 ^

    I've never listened to CW. What I get out of this is that instead of
    just doing the AFV to the BC this might be a more effective way to
    establish myself with the DTC. From your understanding would it make
    since to be debt free and have utilities paid in advance before trying
    this. I'm a little new and not making any moves for a bit ecept
    IODing my 230k mortage and 36m of bank accounts. I came from the
    freedom movement and now very intested in commerce. Do you listen to
    CW? Have you been studing how to be a creditor for some time? What
    are you thoughts on this call?


    Donna Lee deeleesa@hotmail.com; Jan 06 11:02PM -0500 ^

    My opinion of CW aka Christian Walters....
    The man is a freaking GENIUS. Operates everything in Trust/s. When you operate in Trust/s
    you remove yourself from Statutory Law. Simply beautiful.

    Donna Lee
    www.NotaryPresenters.com




Topic: [No Subject]




    "Larry" lwarneke001@satx.rr.com Jan 06 09:40PM -0600 ^

    Even a courthouse?
    -----Original Message-----

    On Behalf Of james darby
    Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:15 PM
    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce]

    knowsx.com 5 dollars get anybodys ein #

    Clear Dayland cleardayland@live.com Jan 06 11:01PM -0500 ^





    Greetings,
    Entrepreneur's of 2010 I'm a man created by God looking for people
    like myself that are interested in a study network group outlining how
    to be a creditor coming from an abundant spiritual level.
    I cam from the freedom movement and now studding the Living Temple
    (almost thru the audios), my goal is to be a creditor. Looking for people that would also like to
    be in harmony with the government and not anti-government.
    Preferring members near the Twin Cities Metro area of Minnesota. Please if you know of any current groups I would be much obliged.

    With Love and Gratitude,
    Clear Wind Dayland




Topic: "Part 1.2" attachment


    Brandon bmmmtt@gmail.com Jan 06 08:57PM -0600 ^

    Just wondering if everyone else is getting this attachment as well.
    I've started to receive it with -every- CIC message, starting 1-5-10.




    "Larry" Jan 06 09:43PM -0600 ^

    I hope somebody figures out how to get rid of it!!

    -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Brandon
    Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:58 PM
    To: Creditors in Commerce
    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] "Part 1.2" attachment

    Just wondering if everyone else is getting this attachment as well.
    I've started to receive it with -every- CIC message, starting 1-5-10.






    Nun Jan 06 07:28PM -0800 ^

    Who is the Trustee for a Mortgage. I want to fire them. Are they the
    Law firm that is bring the foreclosure claim against me. or is it the
    Title company. How would I find out who my the trustee is.?


    "Larry" Jan 06 09:40PM -0600 ^

    It recorded in you deed probably.

    -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Nun
    Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:29 PM
    To: Creditors in Commerce
    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] Finding the TRUSTEE

    Who is the Trustee for a Mortgage. I want to fire them. Are they the
    Law firm that is bring the foreclosure claim against me. or is it the
    Title company. How would I find out who my the trustee is.?




Topic: What will You do?


    Jim Palmisano Jan 06 09:16PM -0600 ^

    Find me just one man or woman or person or corporation or attorney or judge or grand jury that has read and understands all the codes, rules, procedures, local, state, and federal etc...

    You will find none because it is impossible for any one to know. So what are we doing? Fighting a losing battle? If the common man, woman, person, corporation whatever cannot fully understand these alleged laws then they are all null and void and we are only playing the game that the vultures set up. These efforts are worthless because no one can totally understand all of these laws in it's entirety.

    We, as the sovereign individual(no definition required), have no need for all of this bullshit. It's very simple. Did you make a contract? Did you say you would do this for that? Did you perform according to that agreement? If not you have a problem. Do you need to go search endless codes, statutes, alleged laws to find your remedy? NO!

    Our peers will find and produce the remedy in deliberation between themselves. Not a judge, prosecutor, bogus grand jury under the direction of the alleged prosecutor, etc...

    1) Were you a signatory to the Constitution for the United States? NO! If you did you are already dead.
    2) Were you a signatory accepting all these alleged rules, codes, statutes, etc...? NO! What sane person would allow such?

    3) Did you sign a document allowing someone else to do these things on your behalf even if it was against your will? I doubt anyone would accept this.

    So where are we?

    How about something as simple as this: We need food, clothing, and shelter period. Just enough to sustain our lives. The rest we can figure out within our local peer groups.

    The rest is nothing but bullshit put out by bullshitters to take advantage of others and they are doing it constantly and this forum acknowledges this fraud and accepts it. Sad to say it but it's the truth.

    We are to be beholden to none. If we wish to contract with someone then we will be held to the contract and we may allow our peers to oversee that contract. If you do wrong then you will be punished by your local peers period. If you don't want to be held to the opinions of your peers then nobody will contract with you and you are on your own which is totally acceptable. If you do harm to someone then your peers may take action against you to prevent another occurrence.

    I am tired of all this and am taking on a new mindset. Do you want to contract with me? Great! If not, no big deal. But I refuse to be held to these bogus codes, statutes, etc... for which I was not a part of the process. It is all null and void.

    So will you join me in the family of man or do you want to continue trying to figure out how to get around the system the vultures have created?

    I'm tired and I've had enough. Why not just make a phone call to your Judges, Courts, Representatives, Senators, etc... and just say you don't agree and will not follow their bogus alleged laws and will defend yourself and your community against their control efforts.

    What say you?

    James Christopher




Topic: AFVing an IRS bill?




    earthsaver Jan 06 08:37PM -0600 ^

    Steve,
    I believe you would be best served posting such a question to the
    group....therefore I'm taking the liberty to do so.
    My 2 cents would be Living Temple Seminars has a whole session on it - I
    think.
    Then Colin just posted several doc's here on the google group.
    And you may also search for anything by Doug Riddle -(angelicnutrition....)
    What else?
    Check out FAQ page and the page for beginners.
    "Everything I need to know" is not found all in one place in my opinion.
    Tonite's call TalkShoe conference call with Clark is talking about A4V the
    IRS right now!

    Anyone else got advice for Steve?
    Later,
    ParadigmShifter


    From: Steve
    Date: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM
    Subject: AFVing an IRS Bill
    To: ParadigmShifter

    Where can I got to find out everything I need to know about how to do this?
    I've got 2 actual bills from them (for past years), and one more coming
    (the biggest one).
    Thanks, Steve

    --
    "Where the people fear the government, you have tyranny; where the
    government fears the people, you have liberty." - Thomas Jefferson




Topic: Pastor Tony King


    phlippermerlin Jan 06 06:08PM -0800 ^

    Where is a good Pastor Tony King resource site?






    "J.D.B" Jan 06 08:57PM -0500 ^

    Its only so long before sovereigns are declared Enemy Combatant,,,,,Do we
    need to send out a treaty before they make assumptions about our status and
    call us UN-persons? Any input is welcomed

    --
    James of the Bogan Family
    Bogan Investments LLC.
    "Without Prejudice" "Without Recourse"
    Skype: Bogan.Investments



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Topic: NON-DOMESTIC Without US


    geallaxy Jan 06 05:54PM -0800 ^

    What does the expression as part of the address mean: "Non-Domestic
    without the US" ?
    What does it signify? What does it do? When should/could one use it
    meaningfully?
    I have seen this expression on versions of affidavits used by parties
    living in other countries.
    Brandon uses this for his International Remedy Demand Documents.
    Thanks




Topic: Help on Banking OID


    Jarred Sawczyszyn Jan 06 05:36PM -0800 ^

    you didnt answer my question ... lol im sorry but is this some kind
    of trend...
    ask a person a question and they just seem to not realize any question
    was asked? lol

    Not to mean offensively AT ALL.. just saying... reading is a BIG THING
    with all of this "stuff".the entire OID portion is already understood and easily to find a
    clear explanation of it by simply searching the group. Some people can also just search my name
    or check out my posts and youll find me talking lots about OID.
    "Tell me what you believe BOX 4 means.. it states.. "4 Federal income
    tax withheld" Now really look at that and explain what you think it means, Ill
    explain my opinion on it after"




Topic: Finding EIN numbers, CEOs and getting information


    "Bruce Meyers"; Jan 06 05:34PM -0800 ^

    Here are a couple resources and ideas that many don't know how to find things so here are my better solutions that may be of help to you:

    Go on line and google it and find the phone number.
    1.. Call the company and say you are interested in knowing about the bank and could they send you a portfolio.
    2.. You can even buy 1 share and get their info on a regular basis.
    3.. You can call a stock broker.
    Now if you cannot find the number:
    4. Call your local library and ask them the name, phone number, address.
    5. Call the local chamber of commerce. They are wonderful and usually full of knowledge.
    Here is one statement that is wonderful to get numbers: my accountant asked me for this. The people then feel like Oh, that is alright then.
    Hope this is of use to you.

    Bruce

    Bruce Meyers
    (425) 223-5684
    speakerbruce@yahoo.com
    Why pay on a mortgage? Learn the truth: http://tinyurl.com/IOwnMyHome




Topic: Bank Fraud Package - Learn, Apply and Pass on the Knowledge
Jan 06 05:34PM -0800 ^


    DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE.
    NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
    JUST SHARING OF LEGAL INFORMATION.
    SHARED BETWEEN PRIVATE SOULS, NOT PUBLIC PERSONS.

    From: Dave Mack [mailto:mack2001@swbell.net]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:25 AM
    To: Dave Mack
    Subject: Newest FBI Docs with corrections...Needs to go VIRAL!!!!

    The contents of the attached file are something unlike anything you have
    ever read. Go to the read me first instructions and then read "Where
    Does The Fraud Begin". The rest is then up to you.

    The attached documents are the most recent with minor corrections after the time to comment.
    Now it is time to bring this to every corner of the country. This WILL
    make a difference in this country if people will read, understand and
    ACT to do something. If you know people in the media....take this to
    them and talk to them. If you know attorneys........put it in front of
    them. If you know judges.......put it in front of them. If you have a
    court case........enter this information into the record. If you know
    clerks in recorders offices......give them a copy. If you are in
    foreclosure.......get this to all involved in any way.

    IF YOU ARE, OR HAVE BEEN, IN FORECLOSURE, DO NOT MAKE EMPTY PROMISES OF IT
    GOING TO THE FBI. MAKE A POINT OF TAKING IT YOURSELF, IN PERSON, AND
    TELLING THEM YOU ARE A VICTIM AND YOU WANT THEM TO INVESTIGATE.

    Working together we CAN change things.........it is up to every one of you.
    Let's put this information in front of EVERYONE in the country!!

    CHARGE!!!!!!




Topic: Dever Area group


    721Matt

    I'm in the Parker area and would be interested in meeting....




Topic: Need a Notary in Las Vegas who can do Notary Presentment


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    Hello all-

    I need to respond to a FF from our friend Maureen Green and need a Notary
    who is brave enough to do a presentment. I have not been able to find one
    yet. If you are one or know of one please send me a private email.

    --
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Topic: A new idea


    Max Hemmingway maxhemmingway@gmail.com

    I have a new idea or at least it is new to me. Let's have some comment
    on it and see where we go with it.

    If I go to court and file a motion and they charge me money I have
    hired them to do something for me. Right? Therefore I become their
    employer, do I not? why not wait until the end of the year or whenever
    and turn in a 1099 to the IRS for the amount of any fines or court
    costs? All we should need is their tax ID number which isn't hard to
    get as I understand it.

    I have no idea what would happen if we did that but it sure ought to
    cause somebody some headaches. Just hope it don't turn out to be us.
    (LOL)

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Topic: Video: "Suspected Enemy combantant" no longer a "Person"


    Craig Painter
    I have never been a Person!
    Why would you want to be a legal fiction? Or a mask that an actor
    wears?




Topic: Remedy After Dishonor: (is this possible)?


    Manji
    Hello everyone.

    There is a credit card I defaulted on. I tried to apply for a new
    credit card with he same exact bank I defaulted with. Of course they
    basically sent in a letter stating that they could not approve me for
    the credit card I applied for because of credit obligations I had with
    them has been delinquent.

    I working on writing a letter to ask them if they could send me some
    kind of bill or payoff statement, so that I can "settle" the
    obligations and if they could agree to approve me of a credit card
    upon condition the credit obligations are "settled".

    Please share your thoughts, opinions, advice, suggestions, and
    feedback if you have any.

    Well, I wish everyone a wonderful new year.

    Damean

    Loving Kindness