Saturday, January 30, 2010

digest for Creditors-in-commerce 01-30-2010


  • is brandon a new world order minion,selling cabalistic new age propaganda?be careful people... [4 Updates]
  • Trust of Government [1 Update]
  • flags [3 Updates]
  • Credit card [2 Updates]
  • PURELY SEMANTICS [1 Update]
  • creditorology [1 Update]
  • JERRY KANE CALL TODAY [1 Update]
  • gmac still has not validated [2 Updates]
  • your BERTH certificate [1 Update]
  • How do I change email address where I receive group mail ????? [1 Update]
  • Post Office [1 Update]
  • Actual Court Experience [2 Updates]
  • TRAVELING IN MY AUTOMOBILE [1 Update]
  • An alternative to Google: "Scroogle" [2 Updates]
  • Friday night conference call. [1 Update]
  • Canada under D.C. [1 Update]
Topic: is brandon a new world order minion,selling cabalistic new age propaganda?be careful people...
    atexascash Jan 30 10:42AM -0800 ^

    Every phase our Lives are in COMMERCE. You need your STRAWMAN to
    operate in COMMIERCE. Your
    STRAWMAN has a LICENSE to operate in COMMERCE (i.e. Drivers License,
    Marriage License, Handgun
    License, Occupational License, Building Permits, etc.). A License is
    good as long as you want it to be, by your
    permission. When there is a FINE for misuse of your License, you need
    to learn how to then switch the
    STRAWMAN to the Living Soul with the Right to Life, Liberty, Property,
    and the Pursuit of Happiness.
    The STRAWMAN is a TRANSMITTING UTILITY that allows you to operate in
    COMMERCE with a LICENSE
    to conduct your COMMERCIAL Affairs.
    Anyone operating in COMMERCE without a LICENSE is committing a
    COMMERCIAL CRIME. You and I need
    to learn how to become the REPRESENTATIVE or AGENT for the STRAWMAN
    and conduct all of his/her
    COMMERCIAL AFFAIRS without getting involved.
    All crimes are Commercial and are then regulated by COMMERCIAL COURTS.
    COMMERCIAL CRIMES are
    Murder, Stealing, Dealing in illegal drugs, Prostitution, Practicing
    Law or making a Legal Determination without
    the Permission or Consent by Assent of any party to a Contract.
    All COMMERCE is ruled by CONTRACTS. All COURTS (Tribunals) are ruled
    by, CONTRACTS. Absent a
    CONTRACT, the COURT (Tribunal) will proceed to write a CONTRACT under
    Cause/Case #___. Will the
    defendant rise, what is your name. This is the signature for the
    Contract. How do you plead - this is the giving, of
    SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION and becomes part of the Consideration for
    the Contract. All the arguments
    are the Offer for the Contract and the JUDGMENT is the Acceptance for
    the CONTRACT. The court takes a
    Complaint, turns it into a CHARGE against the STRAWNMAN, tries him/her
    on the CHARGE and then a
    JUDGMENT is rendered which is a Civil Action, a Claim, and this must
    then be Accepted by the LIVING SOUL.
    You Accept the JUDGMENT in two ways, by silence and signing the
    JUDGMENT or by Appealing it to a higher
    court (a THIRD PARTY) who will then agree with the Judgment. Why would
    you argue Law or Codes, Rules,
    Regulations, Procedure, Statutes when the CONTRACT is the LAW in your
    Case.
    The Redemption Process or Acceptance For Value can then authorize the
    Payment of the JUDGMENT. The
    Judgment should be signed by the Court Clerk for they are the Court.
    In most cases the Judge will sign the
    Judgment hoping that you will accept the contract by one of the above
    two ways, by silence or signature or Appeal
    to a THIRD PARTY.
    Another way is the Rejection of Contracts allowed under Truth in
    Lending and when the Contract is about
    Mortgages it comes under Regulation Z and Truth in Lending.
    ALWAYS REMEMBER, everything is in COMMERCE and is ruled by CONTRACTS.
    Codes, Rules, Regulations, Procedure, Statutes apply only to the
    Corporation that they were written for. You do not
    Argue Codes, Rules, Regulations, Statutes in COMMERCE - you argue
    CONTRACTS. If there is no CONTRACT,
    there is no CASE. There is no CONTRACT with a Policeman, Government
    Official, Federal Agent, or Federal
    Agency, even with a License. A government or Corporation is a FICTION
    and cannot sign a CONTRACT or
    enforce one unless you enter into their Organization or Corporation as
    an employee and argue their Codes, Rules,
    Regulations, Procedure, whereby they then use these to enforce a
    Contract

    www.stopthepirates.blogspot.com

    Tim Shipper Jan 30 01:35PM -0600 ^

    Interesting.

    The core of the New Age philosophy teaches that the individual is God, and
    creates their own reality. After listening to CIC speeches, doesn't that
    sound familiar? It's also what Pharaoh from the scriptures believed. Pharaoh
    openly declared that he was God, and had the power to do whatever he
    pleased. IMO this belief leads to arrogance and a false sense of pride.

    Creditwrench Jan 30 12:55PM -0800 ^

    I'm pretty new to all this stuff and don't understand some of the
    terms you use here. For instance, the term New Age philosophy. When I
    run into words or phrases that are new to me I always use Google
    Squared these days. I use Google squared because it will take just
    about any term, word or phrase and return a large number of different
    possible definitions and lets you either accept one or more of the
    suggested articles that describe what I am looking for. Gets me a lot
    of great information I wouldn't otherwise find and does so in a big
    hurry. Since I didn't know what the phrase NEW AGE PHILOSOPHY means I
    put it into the search box on google squared and it told me all about
    the New Age Philosophy and what it refers to. Try it and you will see
    all the definitions and descriptions that Google squared returned.
    Quite interesting indeed. Now I am more enlightened on that subject.

    After getting the returns I did I decided to look up the next word
    which was STRAWMAN. Google didn't understand what a Strawman is any
    better than I did so it ask me for up to 5 additional associated words
    or phrases so I add in the next 5 words found in your message and once
    again came up with more very interesting results. I saved that set of
    squares so I could share what Google Squared came up with. Here are
    the results.
    http://www.google.com/squared/table/agGuOxDhZmeTvKUacvVwy5ig

    Since that url is so long I shortened it up

    http://tinyurl.com/yajyend

    I think that all the newbies like me ought to use Google Squared to
    help them learn what some of these words and phrases mean. Also helps
    them to learn about people they hear about too.

    Raam T Jan 30 03:14PM -0800 ^

    too much written word and mental constructs there for my state of mind right
    now and
    all I have to say is that Brandon is amongst the dozen or so purest, most
    genuine,
    connected, loving and compassionate and frickin humble rockstars I've yet
    had the
    honor to hug, and I've been blessed with meeting many, many exceptional
    beings
    in this regard.

    My 2 cents. I love you Brandon.

    --
    Rasmus Raam Toerper

    Global Environmental Fuel Technology LLC
    yourgeft@gmail.com
    Direct: (310) 402-6235
    Office: 866-442-5557

    www.OmStar.com

    14761-G Franklin Avenue
    Tustin, CA 92780

    "We Make Going Green Profitable"

Topic: Trust of Government
    entropid Jan 30 03:00PM -0800 ^

    I post the main part of a document I created. It points out some
    absurd barriers to progress that people in this movement universally
    accept, without examining their brainwashing.

    I believe the following is self-evident:
    1. Man is soveran of his life, but subject to the forces of nature and
    must coexist with the rights of other lives.
    2. Virtues, such as empathy, honesty, self-discipline, curiosity,
    creativity and generosity are generally considered to be the more
    evolved qualities of mankind’s psyche and reasons for the success of
    mankind.
    3. The basic rules of society are for members to aspire to virtues so
    as to engender honest logic for the objectives of survival,
    prosperity, security and well-being of each member of their society.
    4. Statement of Human rights is a statement of minimum conditions
    necessary for men to pursue these objectives.
    5. Government properly, is by, of and for the successive people of the
    respective geographical area (hereafter People).
    6. Government is a trust (hereafter TRUST) granted by People to
    benefit same People by assisting them in the communication, attainment
    and maintenance of the above common objectives, survival, prosperity,
    security and their well being.
    7. Secrecy of TRUST affairs is contrary to the valid objectives of
    TRUST. Rules that the beneficiaries cannot readily understand is
    contrary to the valid objectives of a TRUST.
    8. Laws or regulations by governments regarding TRUSTS is outside
    their authority and is void at inception.
    9. All government, no matter how it came about, is a TRUST. The
    people controlling a government might not adequately perform their
    trustee duties, but this TRUST exists and the responsibilities exist.
    The TRUST exists by virtue of the non-existence of any other honest
    rational alternative explanation for government. It is self-evident.
    10. Any rule, decree, treaty, agreement or action, by the trustees of
    government, that conflicts with the objective of the TRUST are invalid
    from their inception.
    11. The existence of the TRUST does not need to be stated; the People
    as beneficiaries do not need to be stated. They are self-evident as
    there is no other honest rational alternative explanation.
    12. The grantors of long term TRUST must be the People, otherwise the
    People do not control the trustees, and the People can not assure that
    they are the beneficiaries.
    13. Valid long term government can only derive from authority of the
    People as ultimate grantors of the TRUST.
    14. If the People are not the grantors, the authority of government is
    not derived from the People; the responsibility attached to the
    authority of government is not of the People.
    15. The adult People, individually, must be aware of their grantor
    status and the terms of the TRUST for them to exercise their grantor
    responsibilities.
    16. TRUST does not require land or real estate to exist. The main
    property of TRUST is the interest in the survival, prosperity,
    security and well-being of each member of the People.
    17. Grantors may only gift to the TRUST property that is theirs. Land
    cannot really be owned, but rather one exerts control of the benefits
    and the liabilities and holds in trust for the future.
    18. Grantors of trust may only gift with full knowledge and
    understanding.
    19. Gifting of humans to the TRUST is contrary to the objectives of
    the TRUST. Gifting of debt to a TRUST is contrary to the objectives
    of a TRUST.
    20. A trust is a contract. It must meet all the requirements of a
    contract.
    21. Each beneficiary of a TRUST has the right to full written
    disclosure because:
    a. The TRUST is extremely important to his well being
    b. The TRUST is extremely important to his descendents well being
    c. He needs to decide if purported benefits are benefits or are
    liabilities
    d. He needs to decide whether to accept TRUST or if alternatives are
    better
    e. He needs to determine if he is receiving his benefits
    f. He needs to evaluate the performance of the trustee
    g. He needs to be able to communicate any problems to the grantor
    h. He needs to be able to terminate TRUST
    22. If terms of TRUST are withheld from beneficiary, the beneficiary
    has the right to specify the terms as they relate to him.
    23. TRUST can not be terminated without approval of beneficiaries.
    24. Beneficiaries’ rights of TRUST are non-transferable.
    25. Gift of assets to TRUST is unconditional, made freely and
    knowledgably. Gift of assets to TRUST cannot be withdrawn without
    permission of beneficiaries.
    26. Only people can be grantors of TRUST. Only people can be trustees
    of TRUST, otherwise there is conflict of interest. These people must
    be disclosed to beneficiaries.
    27. De jure government is a TRUST, expressed by the People as
    grantors, for the primary benefit of these People on a continuing
    basis.
    28. TRUSTS may in concert, under authority of their Peoples, appoint
    subsidiary central TRUSTS, of revocable participation by People, for
    the ultimate benefit of said Peoples.
    29. A purported bankruptcy of government does not alter the primary
    responsibility of government.
    30. A purported trustee in bankruptcy of a government has primary
    responsibility to the People, not to the purported creditor.
    Government can only exist, in any form, for the People. The TRUST
    always exists because of the non-existence of any other rational
    alternative. It is self-evident.
    31. The beneficiaries are not liable to a purported creditor of a
    TRUST.
    32. A purported creditor of a de facto government has no claim against
    the People as the People are not the grantors or the trustees.
    33. A purported creditor of a de jure government has a claim against
    only the commercial property of the TRUST if the trustees were acting
    within their duties and only if the claim is based upon a valid
    contract.
    34. All legal fictions are subordinate to the People. People are
    superior to persons and to corporations
    35. The People are the ultimate creditors of all legal fictions.
    36. The People are the ultimate beneficiaries of all valid legal
    fictions.
    37. Honest logic dictates that prevention of valid government,
    diversion of valid government, subversion of valid government or
    perversion of valid government are near ultimate crimes against
    People. These are orders of magnitude more serious than a serial
    killer. These crimes are extremely serious and deserving of very
    extraordinary liabilities. I do not believe anyone can evidence any
    other reasonable means of probable deterrence of these crimes or of
    probable remedy of these crimes.
    38. The essence of honest law must of necessity be honest logic. The
    alternative is dishonest logic, which is tyranny. Honest logic is
    honest law. Secrecy, secret rules, secret procedures, secret
    presumptions, secret meanings or secret agendas of legal systems
    exclude honesty and are the means to fraud.
    39. The trustees of governments under instruction of their grantors
    have instituted a dichotomy, where the world of reality is ruled by
    the Public Policy of secrecy, dishonesty and fantasy and enforced in
    by the terrorism of public laws and public courts.
    40. Authority and responsibility are inseparable. The exercise of
    power and the responsibility for its effects are inseparable. Rewards
    and liabilities are inseparable. Benefits of control are inseparable
    from responsibility of control. Insurance does not separate
    responsibility from benefits.
    41. There is no honest theory of power from the top down type of
    government being a reasonable alternative for the benefit of People.
    It is intended to benefit the savages that want to rule others for
    their own personal and family benefit.
    42. Benefits and liabilities must not become separated. However, one
    of the most important reasons for a society, is to be able to insure
    each other against severe misfortune and conversely to insure society
    for benefit from fortune of some. Benefits and liabilities are
    important because of their impact on quality of life and survival.
    43. The effects of liabilities are not transferred easily to a central
    government. Awareness of possible liabilities and mitigating
    liabilities is best accomplished close to the source and close to the
    impact of its affects. Obviously assistance by means of special
    knowledge, talents or abilities can come from anywhere.
    44. Land, water and environment generally are most efficiently and
    effectively entrusted to the influence of local People with natural
    exposure to the benefits and liabilities of same. Any authority over
    land and water emanates from local occupation and use of same, by
    People. It does not emanate from a central government.
    45. International Monetary Fund (hereafter IMF),The World Bank,
    Federal Reserve System and United Nations are part of an integrated
    organization for the benefit of a very small group (hereafter
    CROWN) , rather than the People’s of Earth. The London Branch of the
    House of Rothschild and the City of London are apparently at the
    center of this group, hidden from the public by layers of front men
    and front corporations. These front men and front corporations must
    accept all liability accorded to this system, until they exposed and
    make accessible the CROWN. This function continues for liabilities
    already incurred, even if their agent status ends.
    46. The banking system is a system of CROWN.
    47. The banking system is not the valid primary creditor of
    governments. It is not the creditor of people.
    48. The substance behind money is and has always been nature and men’s
    productivity and creativity. Gold has at times represented the
    limitation of men’s productive ability to extract it.
    49. One severe limit of progress has always been those who would steal
    the benefits of other men’s labors.
    50. Usury is the most highly developed form of this negative behavior.
    51. Legitimate banking is a service of facilitating exchange of labors
    and the exchange of wealth created. However, usury is not
    legitimate. CROWN has institutionalized usury and very severely
    retards progress of mankind.
    52. CROWN has evolved their system of usury so that the currency you
    purportedly borrow is your pre earned credit (money of account) for
    which they require payback with usury to them on money not borrowed
    from them. This is one of the methods of extracting wealth.
    53. Banking has become the most successful form of human parasitism
    and has expanded to become the prime force in degenerating government
    which becomes their further agent of usury.
    54. The rules of commerce are secondary and do not have the same
    status as the laws of virtue. They do not have priority or equality
    with TRUSTS.
    55. Commercial Law, from a historical study and from current analysis,
    is not law for the benefit of commerce, but rather law for the
    promotion and protection of usury in commerce and in all aspects of
    society.
    56. Usury is the loaning accumulated currency to others at an
    exorbitant rate so as to further accumulate the wealth generation of
    others, instead of being self-productive. It is designed to enslave
    the actual creditor. Credit is generated by creativity and production
    of men. Commercial law is dishonestly biased and therefore
    substantially invalid. However, it is valid to use it against those
    who dishonestly use it as a weapon against oneself.
    57. Usury does not completely enslave, so the CROWN taxes involuntary
    involvement with the usury system. Furthermore, a corporate system of
    commerce is instituted, to which more usury can be extended, while
    subjugating the worker further still.
    58. Business is based on honest logic. To the extent that it is not,
    it is stealing.
    59. CROWN systems are based on secrecy, deceit, misinformation, fraud,
    coercion, starvation, war and terrorism. It does not deviate from
    this sacred base methodology, in all that it endeavors.
    60. It is a system of controlling and subverting governments and the
    people of earth, initiated by
    a. Bankrupting countries by
    i. Initiating wars against them physically, empowering dictators,
    subverting governments, destroying industries, destroying small
    farming and self sufficiency of food production, starvation, financial
    attacks on their currencies,
    b. Making purported loans of debt currency to governments which
    i. Are excessive
    ii. Are not productive
    iii. Are not transparent
    iv. Are used personally
    v. Are initiated by bribing government officials
    vi. Are used to control governments to the detriment of the people of
    the country
    61. It uses elaborate measures of control of people via
    a. censored news media,
    b. fabricated history,
    c. censored educational systems,
    d. extortion
    e. fraud
    f. secrecy and
    g. lies
    h. producing hardship, stress, anxiety through starvation, wars,
    terrorism and strife
    62. enforced through
    a. corporations,
    b. financial institutions,
    c. company police,
    d. government courts,
    e. governments’ militaries,
    f. central banks,
    g. Internal Revenue Agency and other collection agencies,
    h. large international banks,
    i. World Bank,
    j. International Monetary Fund,
    k. United Nations and
    l. An international group of elite terrorist bankers
    63. It is a worldwide monopoly of banking.
    64. It is a worldwide de facto monopoly of government.
    65. It does not derive its authority from the People.
    66. It is a system of appropriating asset titles, wealth and power
    unto its owners and controllers.
    67. It is a system of hiding systemic theft of people’s assets by the
    government system.
    68. It is a system of hiding systemic theft of people assets by the
    financial system.
    69. It is a system of claiming to be creditors, when they are in fact
    debtors and the people are creditors.
    70. It is a system of accepting authority and power. It is a system
    of refusing responsibility and obligations.
    71. It is a system of slavery.
    72. It is a system of warring against people.
    73. It is a system of secrecy, a system of binding peoples’ ability to
    evaluate and make informed decisions.
    74. Some of the general negative effects of this organization at the
    top are
    a. inefficient and inept system of power at the top filtering down
    b. system is fundamentally dishonest at the core and requires
    dishonesty throughout to make it function
    c. system is fundamentally illogical at the core and requires illogic
    throughout to make it function
    d. feed down of corruption to upper and middle levels
    e. reduced creativity due to public policies of
    i. secrecy, misinformation and deceptions
    ii. systems based on de facto legal fantasies, words and procedures
    instead of honest substance
    iii. expensive patent systems based on words, and lawyers
    iv. financial officers and management of corporate production
    receiving the economic rewards rather than people creative of useful
    ideas and concepts for human progress.
    v. the financial structure draining huge human energies that could be
    productively used.
    75. System of banking is based upon maintaining secrecy and supplying
    misinformation to people.
    76. Systems of enforcement of this banking system, such as de facto
    governments, de facto laws, public courts based on undeclared intent,
    secrecy of and misinformation of word meanings, facts, process,
    knowledge, and rules. It is based on words and procedures, rather
    than facts and substance. It uses confusions, ignorance and fantasies
    instead of honesty and logic. It coerces enforcement by threat,
    intimidation, extortion and kidnapping.
    77. The CROWN controls governments, information and misinformation
    through education, and media, although a substantial lack of control
    of the internet has developed.
    78. The Canadian governments, like most governments, are operated and
    controlled by CROWN for CROWN’s benefit. Liability cannot be
    separated from the flow of benefits.

Topic: flags
    atexascash Jan 30 10:44AM -0800 ^

    The Law of the Flag: an International Law, which is recognized by
    every nation of the planet, is defined
    as …a rule to the effect that a vessel is a part of the territory of
    the nation whose flag, she flies. The term
    is used to designate the right under which a ship owner, who sends his
    vessel into a foreign port, gives
    notice by his flag to all who enter into contracts with the ship
    master that he intends the Law of that Flag
    to regulate those contracts, and that they must either submit to its
    operation or not contract with him or his
    agent at all." (Ruhstrat v. People, 57 NE 41).
    Registration: When you "register" yourself, you "record formally and
    exactly... in a list or the like," with
    a Registrar. A "registrar" is "an officer who has the custody and
    charge of keeping of a registry or
    register." What really is a "registry?" "Generally, a 'registry'
    applies to vessels in foreign commerce......”
    When we register ourselves, we have recreated ourselves as vessels in
    foreign commerce.
    Flag: Everything moving in commerce is a vessel: space ships,
    satellites, sea-going ships, planes, busses,
    automobiles, the mails, persons and believe it or not - contracts.
    Just as a ship must fly a flag to designate
    its nationality/laws of contract, your paperwork needs to display a
    flag in order to establish who you are
    and what law you will use to contract.
    Stamp: All vessels charge a freight fee to deliver their cargo.
    Likewise we must pay a freight fee as the
    authority to deliver our cargo, i.e.: the paperwork we send needs to
    have a stamp on it. The paper is the
    vessel, the words are the cargo, the flag designates the law and the
    stamp shows that we have paid the fee
    to deliver our cargo. Place the colored flag in the upper left hand
    corner as you are looking at the page
    (the Bonnie Blue is what I use) and place a dollar stamp in the upper
    right hand corner. Write your
    autograph over the stamp to cancel it thus making you the postmaster.
    Whatever flag you choose to use,
    remember not to use a gold-fringed flag as that is under their
    jurisdiction and not your common law
    jurisdiction.
    Registered: Use registered mail to identify your vessel. This places
    your document/vessel into
    international law and gives it recognition in international commerce.
    This is another assertion that you are
    in fact foreign to the jurisdiction they are trying to place you
    under. This number now becomes the case
    number for any and all paperwork related to the first document sent.
    Jolly Roger: If you come upon a flag that is not recognized in
    international law, it is a pirate flag.
    Anything attached to a Title 4 USC 1, 2 Flag (i.e.: gold fringe)
    mutilates the Flag and under Title 4 USC 3
    carries a one-year prison term. The gold fringe is an added color and
    represents "color of law" when
    placed upon the Title 4 USC Flag. The fringe is a mutilation; it
    suspends the Constitution and establishes
    "color of law." The gold-fringed flag that utilizes color of law and
    portends to be the American flag is
    NOT the American flag of peace. It is a pirate flag and it is your
    warning as to whom/what you are about
    to do business with. Army Regulation 260-10 states that the gold
    fringe may be used only on regimental
    "colors," the President's flag, for a military courts martial and for
    the flags used at military recruiting
    centers.
    Courts: The flag in court is the court's advertisement of the laws
    governing their contracts. If you do not
    wish to contract with these courts, then jurisdiction must be
    challenged. In order to correctly challenge
    jurisdiction you must remember [Girty vs. Logan, 6 Bush KY 8] which
    states: "It is an elementary rule of
    pleading, that a plea to the jurisdiction is a tacit admission that
    the court has a right to judge in the case
    and is a waiver to all exception to the jurisdiction." Which means
    that if you plea - you have waived your
    rights to challenge jurisdiction. And when the judge attempts to enter
    a plea for you and says that the state
    statutes allow him to do so, tell him NO, that he cannot practice law
    from the bench and that he is not
    your attorney and you do not give him permission to act on your
    behalf! Read the "Courts By Contract"
    section in this manual for further information.
    www.stopthepirates.blogspot.com

    Ani Jan 30 02:15PM -0800 ^

    I just yesterday read that RED FRINGE on the flag indicates MARTIAL
    LAW (as distinct from martial-law).
    Please correct this if it is mis-info.
    Thanks for all the info, atexascash,
    Ani

    Ani Jan 30 02:25PM -0800 ^

    Is it a good idea to use the flag of our state?
    Is there some reason not to use the flag of another country?


Topic: Credit card
    Jason A Jan 30 09:33AM -0800 ^

    Just an update - I've not heard a peep out of NCO since this call
    almost a week ago. I have had a few calls from Capital One starting
    Friday morning, but I was at work. I was finally able to answer the
    phone this morning when they called. I did the whole "I am JASON's
    agent and authorized to business for JASON" and "only do business
    through mail" stuff. In the end he gave me an unsure "ok".

    I'm going to send a letter to Cap One and to NCO. Cap One letter will
    sort of be a debt validation deal (thanks to John for sending me some
    examples), and the other will be to NCO declining their offer to
    contract in writing.

    Jason A Jan 30 01:56PM -0800 ^

    So I got ANOTHER call, this time the guy was really pushing for me to
    identify myself as JASON. He asked what my name was. I said "Joe".
    "Your name is Joe?" "Sure." "I can't discuss this account with you
    since you are not on the account. No amount of "I am the authorized
    agent for JASON" was swaying him. I'll have to handle that
    differently next time. He was willing to do a C&D over the phone, but
    he wouldn't let me authorize it since I wasn't JASON. I'll just put
    up with them for a few more days until I can get the letter out.

    Hope you guys don't mind the play by play. I thought maybe something
    could be learned from this if other people are in the situation.

Topic: PURELY SEMANTICS
    Ani Jan 30 01:25PM -0800 ^

    CAVEAT EMPTOR:*

    It has come to my attention that the author of "Cracking the Code" has
    come into conflict with USGov/IRS and has been prosecuted for "tax
    fraud".
    >From what I have read here
    http://www.justice.gov/tax/prtax/Hendrickson_AmendedJudgPermInj.pdf
    http://www.justice.gov/usao/mie/press/2009/2009-10-27_phendrickson.pdf
    he made a big mistake, if this info is correct, the whole truth and
    nothing but the truth.

    >From my point of view, this is a warning (CAVEAT) to everyone that it
    is very important to be completely honest in our filings and not
    attempt to hide anything IF/WHEN we make CONTRACTS with the SYSTEM.
    Filing for income tax returns CONSTITUTES agreeing to a CONTRACT from
    what I understand.

    I do not necessarily believe any courts' decisions are above board or
    honest and my guess is that there are legitimate, BONA FIDE remedies
    to be found in "Cracking the Code" which have been called "frivolous
    filings" in the above judgments.
    Our gov has declared a lot of things "illegal" which are not real
    crimes and of course it will resist by any means necessary any
    attempts to remedy, since the bottom line of CORPORATIONS is PROFITS
    at any cost, including the inestimable costs of betraying integrity of
    any kind ("chop sueycide").
    (See also, KOL NIDRE in the Part I, Section 4 Glossary of "Cracking
    the Code".)

    I have been advised that I should not be promoting "Cracking the Code"
    in light of the above case and because
    "... BTW, he threw some of his friends under the bus, by secretly
    recording them for the Feds, in return for a plea bargain. Sounds like
    one helluva guy, don't he?"

    However, I have received no info verifying this so anything like this
    kind of accusation without proof is HEARSAY ...
    Even if it is true, it does not necessarily negate the value of the
    info in "Cracking the Code".
    IMO, the fact that the courts have gone after the author to make an
    example of him and discounted his book suggests that his info is
    prally all too "Close to Home" and they are scared, "fight or flight",
    which in this case means "bullying" and scaring SHEOPLE so as to
    CONTROL them.

    However, I also think it is important to not rely on only one source
    for how-to-do-it info.
    It is always a good practice to get a 'SECOND OPINION".
    I mainly recommend this book as a place to start to learn the
    LEGALESE.
    I do not presume to know anything about how to do the processes and I
    am not recommending that anyone do anything one way or the other,
    knowing full well that I am not an expert by any means in these
    matters.
    I am just a student sharing info with other students.

    We must each make our own decisions.
    I generally do not borrow from the system or accept "handouts" or do
    income tax filings at all, but they don't care about people like me
    because I make so little $$$.
    I think they are aware that they "owe" me more than I could ever "owe"
    them LOL and that it would be really stupid and counterproductive for
    them to come after people like me.

    ------------------------------------------------

    *I am not using CAPS herein consistently as meaning STRAW MEN stuff as
    atexascash does so well. I am using them for emphasis since this
    program allows no other type of font emphasis.

    CAVEAT EMPTOR:
    http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?typed=Caveat&type=1
    BONA FIDE
    http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?typed=bona%20fide&type=1

    ------------------------------------------------

    QUOTE:

    A major character flaw of modern Americans in general (that the entire
    UCC is designed to prey upon) is their propensity for accepting
    "loans" of credit ("something for nothing") and living beyond their
    means. The take of the credit-lending vampires would be
    significantly diminished if people stopped asking for hand-outs
    (borrowing, using credit,) and began surviving strictly through their
    own efforts and living within their means. This might mean a
    temporary reduction in standard of living, but at least one would be
    on solid ground financially, living within reality, and free of the
    inherent fear of default, foreclosure, and financial ruin that is part
    and parcel with "keeping up with the Joneses." THE SYSTEM CANNOT
    EASILY DOMINATE THOSE WHO DO NOT BORROW.** Some wise words from
    William Shakespeare's Hamlet appearing in the front of this book are
    re-quoted here:

    "Neither a borrower nor a lender be:
    For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
    And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry."97

    97 Husbandry (OE hus house + bonda freeholder): Economy; thrift.
    Shakespeare Lexicon and Quotation Dictionary.

    UNQUOTE

    Cracking the Code, p 35 of 36 ... (AApdf 71) ...

    ------------------------------------------------

    **EMPHASIS ADDED BY ME HERE

    Ani

Topic: creditorology
    Rae396hz Jan 30 12:22PM -0800 ^

    Blog.creditorology.com

Topic: JERRY KANE CALL TODAY
    Donna Lee Jan 30 11:51AM -0800 ^

    Hello darlings,



    CONFERENCE CALL TODAY WITH JERRY KANE !!! 2pm PST, 5pm EST. Call in
    number: (218) 844-0850 code: 319336 [might need to push # after the
    code] Topic: Foreclosures and also subject matter which will also
    encompass our brothers and sisters on the other side of the pond. I'll
    be on the call, so you be there too!




    Donna Lee
    www.NotaryPresenters.com

Topic: gmac still has not validated
    creditorsincommerces Jan 30 10:49AM -0800 ^

    ok guys after several attempts gmac still has not validated this debt.
    Back in nov i sent them a debt val letter they did not anwser all the
    questions in the letter they sent the deed of trust and also the
    alloged to the promissory and the adjustable rate note. After sending
    them another debt val letter they sent the same thing again well for
    the last time i sent the last debt val letter they sent me a letter
    yesterday saying they since i have failed to my acc may be referred to
    an attorney and the forclosure will be reported to the irs i now this
    is just an offer i am just looking for any suggestions on what to say
    back . any help will be great.

    Creditwrench Jan 30 11:48AM -0800 ^

    The first mistake is that GMAC is an original lender and therefore is
    not subject to FDCPA and do not have to "validate" a debt or even
    respond to a debt collection letter. They might be subject to state
    consumer protection laws but they are not subject under federal law.

    In my personal opinion (for whatever that's worth) I think that it is
    better to ask them no questions at all. Just tell them you demand they
    validate the debt and let them take it from there. They are supposed
    to be professionals and know what that means under the law and if they
    are not professionals or choose to break or ignore the law then let
    them pay the price whatever that might be.

    So now they want to foreclose eh? The first line of defense against a
    foreclosure action is get a mortgage fraud audit from a reputable
    fraud auditor. That may produce some violations that you can use as
    causes of action against them. Another important consideration is
    whether you live in a judicial or non-judicial state. If you live in a
    non-judicial state you will have to file your federal case and then
    use that as a reason to ask for temporary relief from their
    foreclosure in local court. If you live in a non-judicial state it is
    much tougher to keep the wolves at bay. There are some new federal
    laws that will also help forestall foreclosure which you should learn
    about. What to say next may very well be nothing at all or it may be
    any one of several other possibilities. We simply don't have enough
    facts yet to be able to give you good solid information and help.
    Above all I'd suggest getting a mortgage fraud audit from a reputable
    auditor. I like to use Norm Bradford in Maryland. He is cheap but he
    can get you his results within 7 days most of the time. That would
    probably give you the causes of action you need to take them to
    federal court or sue in local court, whichever would be most
    appropriate for your state and situation. Norm is an attorney as well
    as a mortgage fraud analyst. He is good and really knows what he is
    talking about.


Topic: your BERTH certificate
    atexascash Jan 30 11:01AM -0800 ^

    In 1921, the federal Sheppart-Towner Maternity Act created the birth
    "registration" or what we now know
    as the "Birth Certificate". It was known as the "Maternity Act" and
    was sold to the American people as a
    law that would reduce maternal and infant mortality, protect the
    health of mothers and infants, and for
    "other purposes". One of those other purposes provided for state
    agencies in overseeing of it's operations
    and expenditures. What it really did was create a federal "birth
    registry' which exists today, creating
    "FEDERAL CHILDREN" . This government of "Parents Patriae”, now
    legislates for American children
    as if they are owned by the federal government. Through the public
    school enrollment process and
    continuing license requirements for most aspects of daily life, these
    children grow up to be adults
    indoctrinated into those things necessary to carry our activities that
    exist in what is call a "free country”.
    Before 1921, the records of births and names of children were entered
    into the family bibles, as were the
    records of marriages and deaths. These records were readily accepted
    by both the family and the law as
    "official records”. Since 1921, the American people have been
    registering the births and names of their
    children with the government of the state in which they are born, even
    though there is no federal law
    requiring it. The state tells you that registering your child's birth
    through the birth certificate serves proof
    that he/she was born in the united States, thereby making him/her a
    United States Citizen. For the past
    several years a social security number has been mandated by the
    federal government to be issued at birth.
    The social security number is one of those "other purposes". It serves
    as a means of lifelong tracking of
    the one whose name is on the birth certificate.
    In 1933, the united States of America (Corporate Government) was
    declared bankrupt by President
    Roosevelt. The governors of the then 48 States pledged the "full faith
    and credit" of each of their States,
    including the CITIZENRY AS COLLATERAL, for loans of credit from the
    Federal Reserve System.
    To wit; "FULL FAITH AND CREDIT” the clause of the U.S. Constitution
    (Article IV, Section 1) which
    provides that the various states must recognize legislative acts,
    public records, and judicial decisions of
    the other states within the united States. It requires that foreign
    judgment be given such faith and credit as
    it had by law or usage of state of it's origin. That foreign statutes
    are to have force and effect to which
    they are entitled in home state. And that a judgment of record shall
    have the same FAITH, CREDIT
    CONCLUSIVE EFFECT, and obligatory force in other states as it has by
    law or usage in the state from
    whence taken. Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, and Sixth
    Edition (page 672), cites omitted.

    www.stopthepirates.blogspot.com

Topic: How do I change email address where I receive group mail ?????
    captmoonlight 4dam4@sbcglobal.net Jan 30 10:48AM -0800 ^

    Hi All,

    I have been to edit my membership, help..... and I have found no way
    to change my email address, other than unsubscribe and create new
    membership. Any help would be appreciated.

Topic: Post Office
    atexascash Jan 30 10:33AM -0800 ^

    Use of the Zip is voluntary. See Domestic Regulations. Section 122.32
    as amended. You should
    also know that the Postal service cannot discriminate against the non-
    use of the Zip Code. See
    "Postal Reorganization Act ", Section 403, (Public Law, 91-375). The
    federal government
    utilizes the ZIP code to prove that you reside in a “federal district
    of the District of Columbia”.
    This is why the IRS and other government agencies (state and federal)
    require a Zip code when
    they assert jurisdiction by sending you a letter. They claim that this
    speeds the mail, but this is a
    sly and subtle TRICK. It is also prima facie evidence that you are a
    subject of Congress and a
    "citizen of the District of Columbia " who is "resident " in one of
    the several states.
    The receipt of mail with a ZIP code is one of the requirements for the
    IRS to have jurisdiction to
    send you notices. The government cannot bill a Citizen of Texas,
    because he is not within the
    purview of the MUNICIPAL LAWS of the District of Columbia. In fact,
    the Internal Revenue
    Service has adopted the ZIP code areas as Internal Revenue Districts.
    See the Federal Register,
    Volume 51, Number 53, Wednesday March 19, 1986.
    You must remember that the Postal Service is a private corporation, a
    quasi-government agency.
    It is no longer a full government agency. It is like the Federal
    Reserve System, the Internal
    Revenue Service, and the United States and the United States Marshall
    Service. They are all
    outside the restrictions of the Federal Constitution, as private
    corporations. They are all powerful
    in their respective areas of responsibility, to enforce collection for
    the federal debt. So, if you are
    using a ZIP code, you are in effect saying openly and notoriously that
    you do not live in the State
    of Texas, etc, but instead are a resident in the Texas area of the
    District of Columbia (a federal
    district). There are some so-called Patriot groups that I consider
    Patriots for money. They
    advocate the use of Title 42 suits (which are for federal citizens
    only), send mail to you with a
    ZIP code, and ask you to do things that place you within the municipal
    jurisdiction of the District
    of Columbia.
    Remember these individuals may be agents of the government or, even
    worse, are advocating a
    one world government by the use of the Social Security number and the
    ZIP code.
    So you must be aware of the movement towards a one world government
    through annihilation or
    elimination of State Citizens by use of the so-called 14th Amendment
    and its related laws.
    It is this writer's opinion, both as a result of study, e.g. of page
    11 of the National Area ZIP code
    Directory, of 26 U.S.C. 7621, of Section 4 of the Federal Register,
    Volume 51, Number 53, of
    (TDO) 150-01; of the opinion in United States v LaSalle National Bank,
    437 U.S. 298, 308, 98, 5
    Ct 2d 2357, 571. Ed. 2d 221 (1978); of 12 U.S.C. 222; of 31 U.S.C.
    103, and as a result of My
    actual experience, that a ZIP code address is presumed to create a
    "Federal jurisdiction " or
    “market venue” or “revenue districts” that override State boundaries,
    taking one who uses such
    modes of address outside of a State venue and its constitutional
    protections and into an
    international, commercial venue involving admiralty concerns of the
    "United States ", which is a
    commercial corporation domiciled in Washington, D. C.

    www.stopthepirates.blogspot.com

Topic: Actual Court Experience
    Tim Shipper Jan 30 11:53AM -0600 ^

    Hi,

    Thank you posting these videos. I have a court case coming up soon, and I
    want to do a similar thing that you have done in your case. My question is,
    what should I do if I get to inspect the original charging instrument? What
    exactly should I write on it? I've listened to most of the audio sessions on
    the CIC website, but I'm having trouble finding the specific parts in the
    audio where it deals with this issue. Thank you

    On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:58 PM, phlippermerlin

    phlippermerlin Jan 30 09:56AM -0800 ^

    This is what I should have done.
    Also, 4 parts. Scroll down after watching part 1 and you will see 2
    through 4 on the bottom right.
    http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6031743/

Topic: TRAVELING IN MY AUTOMOBILE
    Bob Jan 30 09:18AM -0800 ^

    If your goal is to educate the policy enforcers, why not let him keep
    it? I didn't check all those cites, so it would be really comical if
    he agreed with your position, only to find out later if they were all
    bogus. If I were trolling for liens I wouldn't be giving out so much
    information, and the length of the document may be regarded as evasive
    and obstructionist by some enforcers. A shorter document with a second
    page entitled "Additional Cites" might be more efficient in achieving
    the goal of simply being left alone. The verbiage I added was
    certainly incomplete and done very off-the-cuff, and I personally
    don't feel adequately prepared for the sort of confrontation that your
    process may lead to. I hope you've been through all the materials,
    including Gordon Hall's contract lectures, so you'll be able to avoid
    coming under anyone's jurisdiction. Further, I hope you'll be fully
    observant of all the details of the process of claim perfection so
    that you'll be easily able to achieve some tangible compensation for
    the years we've all suffered under this monstrous confidence scam
    loosely referred to as the government.

Topic: An alternative to Google: "Scroogle"
    "Mr.Zeph" Jan 30 08:48AM -0500 ^

    On 2010-01-29, at 9:30 PM, Ani wrote:
    > Sorry, I see my question was not clear---specifically I was wondering
    > about ENCRYPTION, esp how to do it.

    Why: Google tracks you. It remembers your IP address (the computer
    address from which your computer connects and is tracable to your
    account), your keyword searches, etc. When you search using Scroogle,
    IT searches Google, thus, all of your searches are attributed to
    Scroogle.

    Encryption: basic SSL. You need do nothing other than type https://
    instead of http:// It tells your browser to use the built-in
    encryption mechanism between the browser and Scroogle so that if
    anyone intercepts your traffic (keyword submission) between the
    browser and Scroogle, they won't be able to decipher it. This is the
    same mechanism that one witnesses when we shop e-commerce stores online.

    Hope this helps.

    "Mike (Onquest)" Jan 30 06:49AM -0800 ^

    If you want full encryption i.e. for email communication and to
    encrypt your computer then check into pgp. It is freeware. They give
    you 30 days of a license so you can see what the paid version is like
    then it goes back to freeware. Hope that answered your question a
    little better. The program comes with pdf's to explain how to use etc.
    Mike Jansen


Topic: Friday night conference call.
    Creditwrench Jan 30 05:52AM -0800 ^

    Colin, what makes you believe that I have anything to do with that
    site?
    What makes you think that I have the power to do anything about it?
    There are other blogs out there that I also wish I had the power to do
    something about but I don't. There are also newsgroup postings that I
    wish I had the power to do something about but I don't. I wish I had
    the power to keep somebody from infecting my web site with malicious
    code but obviously I don't.

Topic: Canada under D.C.
"Mr.Zeph" Jan 30 08:36AM -0500 ^

On 2010-01-28, at 1:56 PM, of the one sovereign sentient wrote:
> so me thinks the CRA is an arm of the IRS now...
> just perspective
> not the name, without prejudice, for entertainment purposes only

Can you back that up with specific documentation? I've had that
intuition for a long time, I've not looked into it myself, but if you
have it, I'm willing to bet that other Canadians would be interested.

Thursday, January 28, 2010

digest for Creditors-in-commerce 01-28-2010


  • A4V Success [3 Updates]
  • WARNING WARNING!! [1 Update]
  • International Notary Public Required [1 Update]
  • Extra Money Opportunities [2 Updates]
  • Just curious : ) [1 Update]
  • jury summons response [1 Update]
  • gary jones [1 Update]
  • Newbie needs advice [1 Update]
  • IT'S ON [1 Update]
  • Can Anyone Comment on the Feb 2009 1099 OID IRS Bulletin Notice [1 Update]
  • NEW-YORK-CITY any 1? below is an entry i wrote, Now time jurisdiction- universal legal technology http://blog.creditorology.com/ [1 Update]
  • Help with education about contract needed [1 Update]
Topic: A4V Success
    salvinorin 33 Jan 28 06:20AM -0500 ^

    FYI...

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: salvinorin 33
    Date: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:00 AM
    Subject: Re: A4V Success
    To: treasurydepartment.1@gmail.com
    Cc: angelicnutrition@aol.com


    Thanks.

    Did CHASE BP write you a letter regarding their decision? Did they charge
    you any penalty fees? Is this account still open? Did you inform Doug
    Riddle?


    On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Private Banking <

    salvinorin 33 Jan 28 06:21AM -0500 ^

    FYI... please read the enclosed conversation.

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: salvinorin 33
    Date: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:00 AM
    Subject: Re: A4V Success
    To: treasurydepartment.1@gmail.com
    Cc: angelicnutrition@aol.com


    Thanks.

    Did CHASE BP write you a letter regarding their decision? Did they charge
    you any penalty fees? Is this account still open? Did you inform Doug
    Riddle?


    On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Private Banking <

Topic: WARNING WARNING!!
    googlegroupmember Jan 28 03:20AM -0800 ^

    would it be "cyber-forensically" possible to verify a list of people
    who come from other countries, who belong to CIC discussion group, and
    also credit wrench organazation site, in order to support CC/CIC claim
    of forgery of internet protocol addresses, thereby supporting a claim
    against owners of IPs in violation of Commercial Codes, CFR, and USC
    applicable ?

Topic: International Notary Public Required
    Dominic Jan 28 12:56AM -0800 ^

    Hi,

    I'm requiring the services of are International Notary Public to issue
    a certificate of dishonor and estoppel.
    My processes are complete. Apostile will also be required. Please
    email me privately.

    Thank you,
    Dominic

Topic: Extra Money Opportunities
    NewCreditor Jan 28 12:12AM -0800 ^

    I would say time is also closely associated with money. In the past,
    it usually represented how much time I had before I went broke. If
    you can trade your time to help others save time, i.e. help others to
    stop foreclosure on their home, help them deal with their debts,
    helping educate, fund beneficial projects etc. I think we should help
    others and the more we do the more we will realize that WE are the
    "money-value-wealth" and our greatest blessings are going to be the
    ones we share together.

    That being said, I don't agree with trading your time for free either
    and contracting for payment in lawful money should be acceptable. I
    am guessing we should always be able to purchase money of account with
    money of exchange. Just a suggestion, but I believe I do see and
    understand your question. How can we turn this into something
    practical that will be a mutual-financial-blessing and will help us
    acquire the real skills and relational resources we will need to
    accomplish large scale projects? (Well I added the "will help us
    acquire the real skills....." part as my personal question which I
    daily seek answers for.) And if we don't have large debts or
    extensive debt history or bad credit and want to start being a
    blessing today what can we do, do we need to wait until we figure out
    how to directly access the DTC account? How to fill out all the proper
    IRS-forms

    Fortunately, I have found some rubber-hits-the-road-type-answers that
    are starting to really change all the events in my life. Now that I
    am waking up, I realize my "time" is FAR more valuable than debt
    notes. Getting closer everyday, I am almost through every single
    audio on here (except calls of course) and I must say, it has only
    been 8 months or so but my life is shifting dramatically just because
    of listening to this stuff.

    NewCreditor Jan 28 12:19AM -0800 ^

    I will say one thing that I have run into already, beware of the
    people you want to help that just "expect" you to just obligate
    yourself to their disposal without any thought of honoring you.
    Sometimes you do every single thing in your power to bend your back
    over for someone and they just run you over. Be careful.

Topic: Just curious : )
    Bruce Jackson Jan 28 12:04AM -0800 ^

    --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Bruce Jackson wrote:


    From: Bruce Jackson
    Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:01 AM

    Things I'm wondering about;

    If every signature on every loan and every check and every credit card creates new money, how much money gets created in a year in the world?
    If so much money is being created, then wouldn't there have to be a system to reduce the amount of money in circulation at times to regulate the value.
    If the facts are on the moon, nothing can be proved, and we create our own reality, then is it more about being creative and helpful to each other?
    Is it possible that society could evolve at different rates, where some people would labor for pay, and others give and receive freely, and/or trade in any currency that their creative energy attracts?
    Enough for now, thanks for everyones willingness to help a stranger.
    Peace,
    Bruce

Topic: jury summons response
Topic: gary jones
    Raam T Jan 27 11:29PM -0800 ^

    I rarely speak negatively about people, but I personally know several people
    who he
    allegedly just deserted when the road got a bit bumpy. If my information is
    correct,
    he's an integrity-free danger and damage to this community.

    If this is not correct, Gary, please rebut or ask for specifics for you to
    rebut here.
    --
    Rasmus Raam Toerper

    Global Environmental Fuel Technology LLC
    yourgeft@gmail.com
    Direct: (310) 402-6235
    Office: 866-442-5557

    www.OmStar.com

    14761-G Franklin Avenue
    Tustin, CA 92780

    "We Make Going Green Profitable"

Topic: Newbie needs advice
    Max Kuzkin Jan 27 11:23PM -0800 ^

    Your too kind. Thank you

    On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Fathom Worldwide >>> > omission does not constitute a waiver of any and/or all intellectual
    >>> > property rights or reserved rights. UCC 1-308

    >>> > Notice to Principal is Notice to Agent / Notice to Agent is Notice to

    --
    PUBLIC NOTICE

Topic: IT'S ON
    Raam T Jan 27 11:19PM -0800 ^

    Hey fisherman, I trust you'll have a great group and mastermind! Just as a
    tip, if
    you give your posts a more descriptive title - especially for something so
    specific -
    you'll have much better chances finding your local brothers and sisters...

    --
    Rasmus Raam Toerper

    Global Environmental Fuel Technology LLC
    yourgeft@gmail.com
    Direct: (310) 402-6235
    Office: 866-442-5557

    www.OmStar.com

    14761-G Franklin Avenue
    Tustin, CA 92780

    "We Make Going Green Profitable"

Topic: Can Anyone Comment on the Feb 2009 1099 OID IRS Bulletin Notice
    curtycurt01 Jan 27 11:17PM -0800 ^

    Awww, another letter, with answers hidden within. Isis, if you
    understand the OID process, then you will see what the IRS is and
    isn't saying. I'm not a master at the OID process. Matter of fact
    after a few months of studying, I'm filing my 1st one. But let me take
    a crack at this for my own testing purposes. Please anyone correct me
    where I may off.

    In the 1st four points, 2 of the don't apply:
    * Form 2439, Notice to Shareholder of Undistributed Long-Term
    Capital Gains (PDF); or,
    * Other bogus financing instruments such as bonded promissory
    notes to make a false withholding claim.

    The next paragraph "Original issue discount is normally treated
    like..." tells you what to read. These are the same publications that
    should be read.

    The next set of bullet points say a lot...of what isn't done (maybe in
    the real scam but not the Creditor/sovereign use of the forms)
    -1st for all of the 1099s and 1040s the income on the 1040 should
    never be greater that the 1099. How could it be?
    -Having an amount = to amount on the 1040 will get you flagged anyway.
    -form 1120 is for corp income taxes. Not even apart of the process.
    -shouldn't use a 1041 (unless you know why) or a 2439: Notice to
    Shareholder...
    -After taxes the amount should be lower...34% lower. That's how much
    tax the IRS take out.
    -The last one is telling you that you better file your 1099A to back
    up your OID. Which is what you better do (unless you know why you're
    not).

    The rest is basic stuff. Mess up will hit you with a $5K fine offer.
    Report scams with 3949A. You should have a copy of that anyway for
    when banks don't shut down accounts when a 1099A is file a certain
    way.

    Anyone else care to take a crack at it or correct anything I may have
    messed up or don't full understand.

    But Isis, if you are concerned about this letter (actually the simple
    fact that you are asking the question) shows that you shouldn't be
    filing a 1099 anything. But those are my thoughts. Know for yourself.

Topic: NEW-YORK-CITY any 1? below is an entry i wrote, Now time jurisdiction- universal legal technology http://blog.creditorology.com/
    Rae396hz Jan 27 11:02PM -0800 ^

    For the misconception of justice, by which our government conveys,
    through the usage of legal fiction. Much too often, we find that
    authorized representatives of corporations, such as, police
    departments, and medical organizations, liability is relieved by the
    verdict that the accused was merely "doing their job". That the police
    was acting under the order of his or her warrant or probable cause, is
    what makes the agent free of liability. Or the medical or physical
    practitioner made an error in application of treatment.

    It is in the tense of declarations, and title, that hold the key to
    why persons are relieved of responsibility. When events are stated in
    past or future tense the information is fictional, either it has
    expired or has yet to occur. Fact can only be present.

    You were speeding, you will be sentenced 25 years to life. The
    question to ask is when am I sentenced to 25 years. Am i still
    speeding. When does the future become now? The future is always the
    future. Besides, who can actually dictate the future. And we know that
    the past can never become present!!

    You are no longer speeding, and you are not actually sentenced 25
    years to life. This is one description of the many forms of legal
    fiction. You may find that our laws are written in past or future
    tense, so when do we become liable to these laws if they never become
    present?

    Thou shalt not kill.

    Shalt is the present tense of shall, and should is the past tense of
    shall, therefore this law is actually law, because it is present. It
    is always now, in this moment, we shalt not kill.

    Understanding this concept is key to this technology of language and
    law, through which we could apply to our society.

    But, let us see what congress men think of this concept.

    In 1997, U. S. Rep. Meechan (Democrat, Mass.) made his main campaign
    issue about term limits. After election he wrote to the House Clerk:
    “Should I be elected to serve more than two additional terms in the U.
    S. House of Representatives, I hereby resign and direct you to remove
    my name permanently for the Roll of Members.” In 1999, Meechan
    announced that he would run again in 2000. Meechan’s aid announced
    that the letter wasn’t binding, because “Legally, you can’t resign
    from a future Congress.”

    Present tense is very important, since “the law is constantly
    speaking, at every moment.” Therefore the law is speaking right now,
    in the present tense. What, then, is the effect of a law written in
    the future tense? Future tense words are for depicting “actions not
    yet done.” Future tense wordings like shall place the law clearly
    into a future point in time. Incidently, the word to can also be
    construed as future tense. When a designated future point in time
    comes into the present tense, and at that point we read the same
    future-tense words again, the future is still in the future, not in
    this present time. The future is never to come into the present
    tense. The present and the future are mutually exclusive terms.
    Remember, the law is always speaking, and a future tense law always
    applies to the future.

    Since the law is presently speaking, and is speaking in the future
    tense, there is no law in the courts.


    We shalt study our language and law, I highly recommend studying
    Universal-Legal-technology which can be found on the link below the
    session numbered 9.

    http://groups.google.com/group/creditors-in-commerce/files

Topic: Help with education about contract needed
    David H Jan 27 10:22PM -0800 ^

    See attached file. It is from LawStudyGroup.com which also has a free
    course available in contract and other forms of law. I have not relationship
    to them, except that I signed up.

Wednesday, January 27, 2010

digest for Creditors-in-commerce 01-27-2010


  • Newbie needs advice [1 Update]
  • WARNING WARNING!! [7 Updates]
  • UNSUBSCRIBE PLZ [1 Update]
  • answers appreciated [1 Update]
  • Credit Union A4V [2 Updates]
  • Neg. Averment [2 Updates]
  • Neg Averment [2 Updates]
  • Winston Shrout In London [1 Update]
  • 21st Century Trolls.../ Re: Credit union A4V [1 Update]
  • 2005 Notice of Deficiency - Waiver IRS - help [3 Updates]
  • Credit union A4V [1 Update]
  • unsubscribe, unsubscribe, unsubscribe unsubscribe, aka remove me from mailing list. [1 Update]
  • Can Anyone Comment on the Feb 2009 1099 OID IRS Bulletin Notice [1 Update]
  • FW: BEWARE FALSE PROPHETS, Mathew 7:15 -- WATCH OUT FOR THE BOGUS 1099 OID & PETE HENDRICKSON REFUND SCAMS!!!! [1 Update]
    creditor girl Lisa Jan 27 04:30PM -0800 ^

    Hi and thanks to everyone who participated here,especially Tim,Scott,
    Salvinorin and Jon.Thanks to the defense team : Colin, Robert, Max..
    Thanks Max for starting the defense.
    Fathom you had a few good things to say too.
    James and Angelic it sounds like you need to understand more of what
    it means to be a creditor as Colin has reminded us. Creditors ask
    questions and debtors blame and accuse.
    As for me what I say is testimony to who I am. Those who bear much
    fruit are how you will know them.
    Does anybody know of a website that helps people to do these processes
    with more of a 1,2,3 step approach? I thought I came across one af ew
    months ago that charged 50.00 to join.

    Creditor Girl

    Creditwrench Jan 27 11:27AM -0800 ^

    Be that as it may, if anyone has a right to gripe I am that person.
    Max has posted my private information here without my permission. It
    wouldn't be so bad if it had the right information but it don't.

    I'm not going to post the correct information because I'm not here to
    spam. If somebody wants to look me up it isn't hard to do at all. That
    blog obviously isn't the place to find it however.

    All the information from this group is not being put on that blog. I
    checked it out extensively this morning and one thing I noticed is
    that several unsubscribe requests have been posted over the last
    several days and none of them show up. So whoever is doing it is
    obviously editing out at least some posts. If the blogger, whomever
    that may be is editing the posts in some way then whatever is posted
    be it good, bad or ugly would be protected speech under the 1st
    amendment to the Constitution.

    The only recourse one might have against that individual might be if
    is posted is libelous of persons in the forum or making libelous
    statements about the forum in general. That does not seem to be the
    case in this instance.

    Even finding out who is doing that would be a very costly process even
    if you could prove that it was being done with malicious intent. It
    would be necessary to file a lawsuit against Google to make them
    reveal who the author is and it would be an absolute requirement that
    what is posted is libelous in nature. Then once it was learned who the
    author really is it would be necessary to file a second federal case
    against that person and prove malicious intent. The process could cost
    thousands of dollars in attorney fees and court costs because Google
    would fight you all the way just for starters. Next you would have to
    prove in the second case that the material that was posted was
    libelous and that untrue statements were made by the author and that
    no first amendment rights were involved. You would also have to prove
    that the statements were false and designed to harm someone's
    reputation.

    Sue Google and they would shut this forum down tighter than a drum
    just for revenge.
    Of course that would also stop the blogger because s/he would then
    have nothing new to post on it.

    I've had lots of experience with that kind of stuff because debt
    collectors put up blogs and postings in forums libeling me greatly. I
    even had one of them publicly threaten to kill me. Said he was going
    to come to my house and shoot me down like a dog. Said it in a public
    forum. Of course he never did anything of the kind and I knew he
    wouldn't because if he did the evidence of his intentions would be
    there for everybody including the law to see.

    We can all complain bitterly to our hearts content but until such a
    time as someone is willing to spend thousands upon thousands of
    dollars and waste an awful lot of time in court I don't see there is
    much anybody can do about it except see to it that they don't post
    anything that is derogatory of another group member.

    In otherwords, don't post any personal information about yourself that
    you don't want posted anywhere else, don't post any derogatory or
    defamatory statements about others, be nice and follow the forum rules
    and you shouldn't have much to worry about.








    Max Kuzkin Jan 27 02:03PM -0800 ^

    To subscribe to the blog it goes through creditwrench which has Billie
    Bauer's name all over it.

    Whomever is doing this is not by all means belittling, however those posts
    cam from a private protected email that is not open to the public. and is
    for
    > > the sole use of the intended recipient and contains privileged and/or
    > > confidential information.

    This has been a violation of my private property.

    For anyone to take someone else private property has no moral rights as far
    as I am concerned. I am appalled at this persons actions....

    The first amendment does not protect against stealing part or whole of
    someones private privileged property...

    Not to mention it has persons phone numbers on the blog as well that I am
    sure the persons did not plan on their phone number being publicized.

    "Ryun S." Jan 27 02:11PM -0800 ^

    i will take care of it..
    thank you for the heads up..

    peace, ryun


    Max Kuzkin Jan 27 02:17PM -0800 ^

    Thank you very much Ryun. Truly I mean that "Thank you"

    Zuwarah Jan 27 02:21PM -0800 ^

    it's true. i just found a topic i created. it definitely seems like a
    violation. given your attempt, i'm not sure what can be done about it.

    "Jeff Brown" Jan 27 06:05PM -0500 ^

    Max and Group,

    I agree with Max’s concerns over whoever is copying content from this forum.
    Moderator or owner of CIC forum…PLEASE do something as the process of
    copying content seems to be an invasion of privacy…I’m not at all happy with
    the fact that our stuff is going out all over the internet…Not that I have
    anything to hide, it is the principle of it all!!
    Jeff

    On Behalf Of Max Kuzkin
    Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:36 AM
    To: Creditors in Commerce; Colin
    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] WARNING WARNING!!

    Warning to all who posts in CIC!

    Just found this... The man who runs CREDITWRENCH.COM

    Bauer, Billie
    bbauer1@netzero.net
    2409 S.W. 24th St
    Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73108
    United States
    405-616-7901

    ...has been running everything that goes on through CIC group through a blog
    http://creditors-in-commerce.blogspot.com

    Persons phone numbers and probably everything you've ever posted here was
    also posted on that blog.

    I do not know if he is doing this manually or has an automatic setting some
    how, nor do I know if he has the moderators permissions. But he does not
    have MY PERMISSION for such act(s)!!

    He is also violation this notice \/\/\/\/\/\/\/ (down there) infact he edits
    it!! He leaves the "Public Notice" on it and removes the rest!

    p.s. I tried to send it to the moderators, but I had a hard time finding who
    they are from the CIC group page.

    Creditwrench Jan 27 04:24PM -0800 ^

    Hate to burst your bubble there Max but as you said, to subscribe to
    the blog it goes through creditwrench which has my name all over it.
    I went hunting for that subscribe button you were talking about and it
    does not actually subscribe to my web site or this one directly. It
    actually goes through feedburner which is owned by google who also
    owns google groups.

    Now then, this is the part that burst your bubble. Anybody can grab an
    RSS feed and run it through Yahoo pipes. They can grab as many RSS
    feeds as they like, 50, 100, 200, 500 feeds and run them through Yahoo
    pipes all at the same time which they can then take the new single
    feed from Yahoo pipes and run it through feedburner and then filter
    out whatever they don't want to display then feed it to one or more
    widgets and turn the blog over to the widgets.

    In your anger you missed the key to the whole thing. The key lies in
    the fact that the two feeds are different, one in the sidebar and one
    in the main part plus the google advertisements. The ads are the real
    key to the whole thing. The person who is doing that probably has
    hundreds of such blogs all over the internet. They also may have that
    many domain names and web sites, all inter linked according to a
    pattern. Google reads what is published on the web pages or blogs and
    the automatically places what it thinks are appropriate ads likely to
    attract the attention of surfers who have searched for some word or
    phrase on one of those blogs or web pages and then serves them up the
    web page having the appropriate ads. People make lots of money doing
    that. They might easily be in Russia or China or India or Africa or
    wherever. Anyplace in the world. Some people report making as much as
    $20,000 a month doing what you see on that blog. And it is all
    animated with little or no work involved whatever once the whole thing
    is set up and running.

    Whoever it is that has that blog couldn't care less what is said here
    or in the sidebar.
    All they care about is that you keep on talking about something so
    they get lots of content that is always changing. Content and change
    is what it is all about. Google loves content and links to other blogs
    and web pages. That's how they make their billions of dollars, selling
    advertising space to companies who want to advertise.

    The fact that they chose me to pick on for content makes me happy as a
    boll wevil in tall cotton because I don't have to spam. You are doing
    it for me. (LOL)

Topic: answers appreciated
    uniquelyabnormalJim Jan 27 04:19PM -0800 ^

    How do I find out if my state is a mortgage state or a deed of trust
    state? Same with judicial vs. nonjudicial Also does anyone know to
    get the passwords in Doug Riddle's My Private Audio link. Thank you

Topic: Credit Union A4V
    Frederick J Fox Jan 27 12:21PM -0800 ^

    Jeff,

    I was wondering, and I might give this a try with my next bill I received. Send it to the IRS as Doug suggest buy keeping the wording on the statement the same but on the voucher, money order, you pay it to: the company name, to see if the IRS will send the strawman funds to the company.
    I'm going to try it this way, if it works I'll let others know.

    --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Jeff Brown wrote:


    From: Jeff Brown
    Subject: RE: [creditors-in-commerce] Credit union A4V
    To: "'Frederick J Fox'" ,
    Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:09 AM

    Hello All,

    Although Doug’s method of sending to the IRS has been successful, Winston Shrout and others teach you to send your A4V’s to the actual company for which the debt is owed. This is not to say that either way may or may not work for any one person…I know Winston Shrout teaches the method of sending A4V’s to the company because I bought his three A4V videos and have studied them. I have also been studying some Tim Turner stuff and he has a entirely different “redemption” process other than an A4V, per say…

    Anyway, hope this helps anyone for clarification.

    Jeff

    "Jeff Brown" Jan 27 06:28PM -0500 ^

    I tried that last September on about 9-10 bills - None of those have worked
    thus far, using that method.I am redoing them and making all them payable to
    the United States Treasury, like Doug does. Just my thoughts : )

    Jeff

    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] Credit Union A4V

    Jeff,

    I was wondering, and I might give this a try with my next bill I received.
    Send it to the IRS as Doug suggest buy keeping the wording on the statement
    the same but on the voucher, money order, you pay it to: the company name,
    to see if the IRS will send the strawman funds to the company.

    I'm going to try it this way, if it works I'll let others know.

    --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Jeff Brown wrote:

    From: Jeff Brown
    Subject: RE: [creditors-in-commerce] Credit union A4V
    To: "'Frederick J Fox'" ,
    creditors-in-commerce@googlegroups.com
    Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 8:09 AM

    Hello All,

    Although Doug's method of sending to the IRS has been successful, Winston
    Shrout and others teach you to send your A4V's to the actual company for
    which the debt is owed. This is not to say that either way may or may not
    work for any one person.I know Winston Shrout teaches the method of sending
    A4V's to the company because I bought his three A4V videos and have studied
    them. I have also been studying some Tim Turner stuff and he has a entirely
    different "redemption" process other than an A4V, per say.

    Anyway, hope this helps anyone for clarification.

    Jeff

Topic: Neg. Averment
    MaverickGreyArea Jan 27 01:16PM -0800 ^

    I am having trouble preparing a counter claim in a Neg. Averment.

    I am unsure of how to list the criminal actions and be sure that they
    are equatable to my civil damages that I am countering with.

    Tim Turner uses 1 million in is work book, I am not sure if I would be
    in dishonor if I used a arbitrary number based off of my feelings of
    fairness.

    any ideas how I can calculate my damages?

    "Stephen-Edward: Dismang" Jan 27 05:58PM -0500 ^

    Are you a Secured Party Creditor? Do you have a perfected lien in place? I
    would not use Neg. Averment until I was the Secured Party, 1st in-line 1st
    in-time

    A counter claim, well what does your filed fee schedule say?


Topic: Neg Averment
    "Dave Mack" Jan 27 04:28PM -0600 ^

    Tim Turner has a guideline of 1M per counterclaim in his templates but you need to keep your mind on ONE thing more than anything else. It is YOUR document and you make the claim that YOU feel is appropriate for YOU in your case. If that is $50 then so be it, but if you have been damaged to a greater extent YOU make the determination of how much you have been damaged and use that as your guideline in doing your counterclaim. Always keep in mind that it is YOUR document and YOUR claim. Own it!!

    Dave

    "Stephen-Edward: Dismang" Jan 27 05:50PM -0500 ^

    Dave, hey man, you may know this but the reason why Tim does a 1M
    lien/maritime lien is for the insurance company, that carries the
    underwriting for that AGENT'S Bond. You must make them fear, the loss of
    work. Once they can no longer get bonded, they can no longer work. they will
    ignore $50FRN(s) because it is no threat to their livelihood. I would also
    add this is war-like & not the, Creditor's way of forgiveness.
Topic: Winston Shrout In London
Topic: 21st Century Trolls.../ Re: Credit union A4V
    mokker Jan 27 01:47PM -0800 ^

    In this time/age, does there not exist the fairly real possibility
    that Trolls have become automated?

    Is it not possible that, once a target of interest (oh, let's say
    CIC...) is selected, that a syntax deficient algorithmic program is
    set upon that target in order to delay/divert that target's
    initiatives, all the while learning in the process?

    Is it possible that just interacting with such an entity could be your
    complicit act of helping it to learn?

    Just some thoughts here people; if, within modern day stock and
    commodity trading houses there currently exist algorithms capable of
    tracking, learning and predicting human trading trends, then could
    there not also exist a similar program (from a source with a much
    larger budget) capable of doing something somewhat similar within
    topic specific forums?

    It is my belief that the more energy you give to those forces that
    would seek to misguide you, the more you will be opening yourself up
    to being misguided, whether the above possibilities are true or not.

    Peace,
    Mark

Topic: 2005 Notice of Deficiency - Waiver IRS - help
    Jade Jan 27 12:56PM -0800 ^

    Hi -

    I received two letters from the IRS last month. Letter number with a
    Form 5564 attached.

    I'm being asked to file 2005 taxes along with the attached letter.
    They say we owe $18,790 + $4,500 in penalties. I also received another
    one for 2006 - this one stating we owe $20,921.00, with $4,000 in
    penalties.

    They said I need to file a petition with the tax court within 90 days
    to file the tax return. But, then in the letter, they said the last
    day to file was December 21, 2009.

    My husband and I were out of work for over 8 months and had both our
    cars repo'd this year, so this comes at a pretty hard time for us.

    I really want to clear matters up with the IRS. I've listened to 4 of
    the temple audios, but it sounds like we have ran out of time - so I'm
    hoping someone on the group can point me into the right direction to
    deal with this in the most expedient way possible. I'm continuing to
    listen to the audios but I am hoping someone can help me with ideas
    pertaining to our specific situation.

    No businesses related, this is a personal income tax return - joint
    filing. I am wondering if we can file the 1040 then A4V the taxes owed
    without a4ving the birth certificates?

    Isis Truong Jan 27 01:28PM -0800 ^

    John, Thank you very much for your input. I really greatly appreciate it.

    Namaste

    Isis
    --
    Isis J. Truong

    Young Living Independent Distributor

    408-832-7578

    Jade Jan 27 01:37PM -0800 ^

    One more question. For 2005 tax year, is it too late to file 1099s -
    or should I do just a straight tax return?

    Thank you.

Topic: Credit union A4V
    james darby Jan 27 01:35PM -0800 ^

    i got winstons dvds and he says everything goes to the treasury

    --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Jeff Brown wrote:


    From: Jeff Brown
    Subject: RE: [creditors-in-commerce] Credit union A4V
    To: "'Frederick J Fox'" ,
    Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:09 AM

    Hello All,

    Although Doug’s method of sending to the IRS has been successful, Winston Shrout and others teach you to send your A4V’s to the actual company for which the debt is owed. This is not to say that either way may or may not work for any one person…I know Winston Shrout teaches the method of sending A4V’s to the company because I bought his three A4V videos and have studied them. I have also been studying some Tim Turner stuff and he has a entirely different “redemption” process other than an A4V, per say…

    Anyway, hope this helps anyone for clarification.

    Jeff

    From: creditors-in-commerce@googlegroups.com [mailto:creditors-in-commerce@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Frederick J Fox

    Subject: Credit union A4V

    Scott,

    I have never heard Doug say to address the Voucher to any place other the the Treasury. Could you please tell us where did you hear this or read it? I have listen to most of his Talk Shoe programs and I haven't.

    "Scott R. Martin"

    Mikey,

    At Doug Riddle's website: http://catsa4v.homestead.com/
    password: methis (as in Riddle me this)

    You will find that Doug is suggesting simply send the presentment and payment voucher to IRS.
    He has also made this statement on the Talkshoe recordings. From the work posted at Riddle's
    website you would:

    1. A4V the Statement, Deposit to United States Treasury -and-

    2. Make the payment voucher a Money Order, Pay To: ------- Credit Union

    If you are in verbal communications and on good terms with the Credit Union, how about following
    Doug's suggestion and then check back with the Credit Union contact and you could both learn how
    things are done behind the mirrors ?

Topic: Can Anyone Comment on the Feb 2009 1099 OID IRS Bulletin Notice
    Jade Jan 27 11:45AM -0800 ^

    Form 1099-OID, Original Issue Discount, Refund Scheme

    NOTE: This headliner is current through the publication date. Since
    changes may have occurred, no guarantees are made concerning the
    technical accuracy after the publication date.

    Headliner Volume 260
    February 19, 2009

    The Internal Revenue Service cautions tax professionals to be aware of
    a refund scheme that has resurfaced in recent months.

    The scheme, based on false withholding credits, involves the filing of
    frivolous returns and claims that may contain:

    * Form 1099-OID, Original Issue Discount (PDF);
    * Any type of Form 1099, U.S. Information Return;
    * Form 2439, Notice to Shareholder of Undistributed Long-Term
    Capital Gains (PDF); or,
    * Other bogus financing instruments such as bonded promissory
    notes to make a false withholding claim.

    Original issue discount is normally treated like the payment of
    interest. Any party issuing a financial instrument with original issue
    discount must issue an information return or Form 1099-OID. For more
    information on the correct use of Form 1099-OID refer to Publication
    1212, Guide to Original Issue Discount (OID) Instruments (PDF) and
    Publication 550, Investment Income and Expenses (PDF).

    Characteristics of false withholding claims may include:

    * Withholding reported on any Form 1099 that is equal to or
    greater than the income reported on Form 1040EZ, 1040A or 1040;
    * Withholding reported on any series Form 1040 tax return that is
    equal to or greater than the “interest income” or “other income” lines
    on the return;
    * Taxable income (before net operating loss or special deduction)
    on Line 28 of Form 1120 that is of an equal amount to a backup
    withholding credit on Line 32g;
    * Excessive amounts claimed on Form 1041, U.S. Income Tax Return
    for Estates and Trusts, under “other payments,” line 24f, and/or on
    Form 2439, Notice to Shareholder of Undistributed Long-Term Capital
    Gains, attached to Form 1041;
    * Returns with unrealistically high withholding amounts, such as a
    Form 1099 withholding amount that is 33 percent or more of the
    reported income; or,
    * Lack of information return documents to support the withholding
    credit.

    The IRS has successfully stopped the payout of many refunds under the
    1099-OID Refund Scheme program from taxpayers filing both paper and
    electronic tax returns. However, tax returns containing frivolous
    information are subject to a $5,000 civil penalty imposed by Internal
    Revenue Code § 6702(a).

    The IRS urges tax professionals who question the legitimacy of a
    withholding credit to confirm with the taxpayer that the reported
    withholding was actually paid by a legitimate source.

    Any incident of a taxpayer seeking a refund or promoting a scheme
    based on false withholding credits should be reported to the IRS using
    Form 3949-A, Information Referral (PDF) following the instructions on
    how to report suspected tax fraud activity.


    http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=204500,00.html

    I am a new CIC member, still working through the audio training, when
    I came across this.

    I'm looking at 1099 OID as a remedy for a huge tax debt we've incurred
    - due to some poor tax advice a few years back. I haven't filed in 3
    years and just been sent a certified letter from the IRS regarding our
    tax debt.

    I thought this one statement was particularly interesting: *
    Returns with unrealistically high withholding amounts, such as a Form
    1099 withholding amount that is 33 percent or more of the reported
    income;

    Can anyone comment on this or help me to understand how CIC is not
    using 1099 OID frivolously (according to IRS)? Has anyone successfully
    offset their tax deficit using 1099 OID and 1099 A? If so, it would be
    very helpful if you would relay your experiences for others on the
    group so we can all learn from your approach...

    Namaste and thank you

    Isis

Topic: FW: BEWARE FALSE PROPHETS, Mathew 7:15 -- WATCH OUT FOR THE BOGUS 1099 OID & PETE HENDRICKSON REFUND SCAMS!!!!
    Fathom Worldwide Jan 27 12:35PM -0700 ^

    I have two wins using cracking the code years ago. One credit card case the
    just disappeared the other a right to travel with case dismissed.

    I have several wins with Tim Turner. Most just debt collectors before court
    who talk big then run when they get hit with the paperwork early. I have
    another win or case disappearance on a loan of 150K for a relative with his
    paperwork and others. I am working on another one currently.

    As far as the AFV's and OID's I don't have any proof yet that that works. If
    you understand the banking system this makes sense as well.

    Why are you trying to scare everyone? Are you trying to say the corporations
    and the alphabet agencies are legit?

    I am not advocating anyone here it just seems if you know who you are in
    court things seem to go your way. Never had an alphabet agency case but I
    believe if you talk to them you can probably avoid that.