Tuesday, January 5, 2010

Daily Digest (2) for 01.05/2010

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    ibme <magnbp@gmail.com> Jan 05 10:50AM -0800 ^
     
    Does anyone have examples of amended promissory notes that is not
    selling those examples?

     

    Branko Brankov <branko_brankov@yahoo.com> Jan 05 10:26AM -0800 ^
     
     
     
    HI,
     
    DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO OBTAIN A COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT OF AN CORPORATION?
     
    THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR REPLY, BRANKO

     

    Max Hemmingway <maxhemmingway@gmail.com> Jan 05 06:47AM -0800 ^
     
    The way to find out more about that or any other case almost no matter
    what court the decision came from is to write down the case cite
    references or the case name and take it to your local law library and
    ask them to shepardize the case. It will cost a small amount of money
    but the librarians will do it for you. Then you can print out the list
    of cases that comes up and research those.
     
    This will give you a complete historical background and what newer
    cases have referred to that case, what types of cases referred to that
    case and what the outcomes were in a synopsis format. If you find a
    case similiar to your case then you can shepardize that (those) case
    (s) ad infinitium, ad nauseum. So while one case can be shepardized
    very inexpensively, doing multiple searches to really track down the
    total history of a large subset of cases could get very expensive.
     
    This is the method used by lawyers to build their cases and judges
    use it to help them make decisions in difficult cases. Lawyers don't
    care what it costs if their clients have deep pockets and judges don't
    care either because taxpayers foot the bill.
     
    The information gained from shepardizing cases can be extremely
    valuable to Pro Se litigants as well.
    Max
    Toxic Assets Recovery Inc.
    (302) 369-8448
    Asset protection specialists.
     
     

     

    DH <dhpsbg@yahoo.com> Jan 05 07:34AM -0800 ^
     
    Once again, this court case has been making its rounds again and
    again.... It is completely false and the Biggest Bull_hit Quote I have
    read. I went to my local Law Library years ago when I first received
    it. I read the case several times which is probably 30 to 40 pages
    long. NEVER found this quote. Please, before anyone sends out
    information, Why don’t you confirm it first???
     

     

    DH <dhpsbg@yahoo.com> Jan 05 08:25AM -0800 ^
     
    I say this to those that do not confirm but pass hearsay along
    continually:
     
    WHAT is the first hand knowledge of your statement?
     
    WHERE did you get the first hand knowledge of your statement?
     
    WHEN did you get this first hand knowledge?
     
    WHY do you consider this to be first hand knowledge?
     

     

    Possibility <sonofjohn4@hotmail.com> Jan 05 08:39AM -0800 ^
     
    Your quote appears to be attributed to Penhallow v. Doane's
    Administrators, 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed. 57; 3 Dall. 54 (1795) online at <
    http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/YouInc.htm > .
     
    The entire opinion is posted online at <
    http://supreme.justia.com/us/3/54/case.html > . The quote does not
    appear in the text. In fact, the fragment in quotes "governments are
    corporations" does not appear in the opinion at all. The word
    "governments" appears twice and the word "government" appears seven
    times. There is no use of the word "corporation" or "corporations" in
    the text.
     
    You also can try to read the decision at a Virginia Law Library, which
    you will find listed at <
    http://www.washlaw.edu/statecourtcounty/ > .
     
    Public Services Division
    Law Library of Congress
     

     

    Possibility <sonofjohn4@hotmail.com> Jan 05 10:02AM -0800 ^
     
    My apolgies for omitting the following from my last post.
     
    I email the Library of Congrees and asked them for the source of the
    Penhallow quote posted on CIC. I too have not been able to find the
    quote in the ase in the past.
     
    The following response is what I received berbatim from the staff at
    the library of COngress - my source to this point.
     
    "Your quote appears to be attributed to Penhallow v.
    Doane'sAdministrators, 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed. 57; 3 Dall. 54 (1795) online
    at <http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/YouInc.htm > .
    The entire opinion is posted online at <http://supreme.justia.com/us/
    3/54/case.html > .
     
    The quote does notappear in the text. In fact, the fragment in quotes
    "governments arecorporations" does not appear in the opinion at all.
    The word"governments" appears twice and the word "government" appears
    seventimes. There is no use of the word "corporation" or
    "corporations" inthe text.
     
    You also can try to read the decision at a Virginia Law Library,
    whichyou will find listed at <http://www.washlaw.edu/statecourtcounty/
    > .
     
     
    Regards
    On Jan 5, 11:39 am, Possibility <sonofjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

     

    Nun <service@mbartonproductions.com> Jan 05 06:20AM -0800 ^
     
    Do you have the information on how to stop a foreclosure. My home has
    an sale date for 1/21/10/ I wanted to try to stop the sale. can you
    help me and give me any information you have.
     

     

    Fathom Worldwide <fathomworldwide@gmail.com> Jan 05 10:59AM -0700 ^
     
    Nun I wasn't in foreclosure when I used this. It helped me thwart the bank
    on a Heloc and really explains how we got in this mess. He does give steps
    on how to fight foreclosure in all stages of the game. You may want to
    google him as his process might be updated.
     
    If you have the funds these guys look pretty promising as well
    www.livingfreeandclear.com
     
    Nothing is bullet proof but amending the promissory note makes a lot of
    sense because they will use it against you the way it is constructed
    originally.
     
    Hope this helps.
     
    Fathom
     

     

 Topic: hee hee!
    Catrise Paige <periphery@gmail.com> Jan 05 07:11AM -0800 ^
     
    this circus is getting so funny! i don't remember when i've heard so many
    agents volleying on one forum! :D
     
    (imo, everybody should get a prophetic symbols dictionary or three and look
    up zoo, clown, monkey and drunk - in that order!)
     
    feel free to block or remove. :P
     
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    Max Hemmingway <maxhemmingway@gmail.com> Jan 05 07:59AM -0800 ^
     

    > feel free to block or remove.  :P
     
    > --
    > ~ All Rights Reserved ~
    And please tell us where we can find a prophetic symbols dictionary or
    three?
     
    Also please tell me what significance zoo, clown, monkey and drunk
    have to do with what is being discussed here.
     
    Or were you just trying to be funny or sarcastic? If so, that isn't
    the way to make friends and influence people. If you think some of
    what is being discussed here is somehow wrong then maybe you ought to
    jump in and help make it better for all. Tell us what you think is
    wrong with what is being said in this forum. Don't just criticize,
    contribute.
     
    I too feel that some of what is posted here is utter nonsense but much
    of it does have legal and common sense value. Criticism is easy.
    Figuring out what is wrong and helping fix it is another ballgame
    entirely. That takes work, knowledge and understanding and at least
    enough intelligence to walk and chew gum at the same time.
     
    Quite frankly, posts such as yours make me wonder if you can do the
    latter.
    Prove me wrong.

     

    J Mani <jmani2006@gmail.com> Jan 05 09:07AM -0500 ^
     
    I'll agree with you that most do indeed go elsewhere for their "remedy".
    Despite that, there are some good reference materials and some good advice
    in the posts, just not all. But finding any group or forum where every post
    has valuable information is next to, if not literally, impossible. Talking a
    "good game" as you call it, is very much an attribute of the so-called
    "teachers" you seem to hold in such high regard. And I won't argue that
    there seem to be quite a number here, as will be found in any group. The old
    adage about walking the walk and talking the talk is represented in every
    group I monitor. Monitoring, or lurking as some call it, is a wonderful way
    to pick up little pieces that you keep until you've got enough pieces so
    they start to form an impression or picture. I really have no problem
    picking up these little pieces, wherever I happen to find them, to add to my
    personal collection. As far as your comment about being offended by your
    glowing commentary on Donna, you are way off base and couldn't possibly be
    more wrong. You have to really care what someone thinks or says to be
    offended by them. You don't matter in my world anymore than an errant fly
    would, nor I probably in yours. That's part of the problem with the members
    in these groups, they profess to be all "love and light", and want everyone
    to think that they really do "love their neighbor", while most who verbalize
    or write this drivel are no more concerned with your plight in life, or
    mine, than they would be for that errant fly.
     
    On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Fathom Worldwide

     

    T M <colostgrp@inbox.com> Jan 05 10:43AM -0500 ^
     
    My friend is no stranger to Commercial Redemption, Creditors in
    Commerce, etc. Been a listener of Jack Smith for years, which has left
    him confused and without direction. He is on this list, listened to
    Gordon Hall's seminars but very busy right now dealing with the
    situation, so I'm trying to help and asking for your help here.
    He has 3 small children and is trying to prevent losing them to the
    state because in OHIO if the mother is unfit and there is a divorce
    (which she is initiating) the state will come in and take the children.
    He discovered secret plans to take children out-of-state to PA which has
    automatic custody in 2 years. So he is trying to strike FIRST before
    things get this far.
    So he has_* 2 (two)** issues*_ - revoke consent (i.e. unincorporate
    the marriage ) from the STATE's marriage license -and- protect the
    children from STATE seizure. (property issue is covered, which is why
    she is going to PA - can't get house):
    1. He knows he made a mistake getting the marriage license, even
    though he was married by an unlicensed orthodox priest (which probably
    doesn't matter since church is 501c3).
    2. Does anyone have a SUCCESSFUL example & procedure, that can be
    verified, where someone used a UCC-1 in accordance with a natural
    right/common law/equity claim upon their children as his own 'original
    issue' from our Creator (God) to give notice of this priority claim?
    (in contradiction/rebuttal to the birth certificate)?
     
    For BOTH we are using a Claim of Right similiar to the following:

    http://claimofright.blogspot.com/2009/03/claimant-basadar-qadar-shar.html
     
    Any suggestions / additions to the fee schedule, references
    (case-examples) for higher-dollar amounts for arrest, etc... would be
    appreciated. I can share the example affidavit of Mistake & revocation
    of consent to Marriage license with someone willing to offer suggestions
    or just curious.
     
    Thanks, TM
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    T M <colostgrp@inbox.com> Jan 05 12:18PM -0500 ^
     
    Thank you for re-stating the obvious, but did you read what kind of
    help I was requesting? Have you done, what you suggested yourself, or
    know someone who has? Successfully? I was asking for SUCCESSFUL
    EXAMPLES, that can be verified, that any particular THEORY was
    successful. I have many examples, but no history of success to verify.
    The issue isn't JUST the revocation of consent and signature from
    the application for marriage license, it is also a re-contract (i.e.
    Claim of Right) on the children as 'original issue' from our Creator
    (not the state). The STATE, as a legal fiction, did not create ... nor
    has any equitable interest in the children themselves: just the trust
    funds created from application for regstration of the NAME (which
    resulted in a Birth Certificate & SSN limited liability mairtime
    insurance). We are trying to seperate the children from any 'seizure'
    by the STATE, because they are covered under the Father's Claim of Right
    as his original issue (from common law, standing on the land without
    contractual nexus with limited liability, defacto municipal/State
    corporations).
    Hope that clarifies. If not, please read this link:
    http://claimofright.blogspot.com/2009/03/claimant-basadar-qadar-shar.html
     
    J Mani wrote:
    > <mailto:creditors-in-commerce%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
    > For more options, visit this group at:
    > http://groups.google.com/group/creditors-in-commerce?hl=en?hl=en
     
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    ColoStGrp: http://bobsapplianceservice.com/angus427/CSN_01.pdf
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    absent assurance of value, and absent benefit received,
    and absent liability assumed, and without recourse;
    Todd M.
    AngelicNutrition@aol.com Jan 05 12:13PM -0500 ^
     
    How odd I can't find the original email nor do I have any information on
    how to be on the show. Anyone know about this program?
     
    Currently I have no idea where this is or how to make contact.
     
    Doug
     
    In a message dated 12/30/09 6:37:48 AM, writes:
 Topic: Tax Question
    Max Kuzkin <kuzkinmax@gmail.com> Jan 05 08:20AM -0800 ^
     
    I just don't think some get it! PRIVATE property. You have no private
    property you can't own private property why can't you own private property
    because people co mingle in the public and private. In order to actually
    have private property you have to operate your whole life in the private and
    never operate in the public again. And you aren't going to learn it form CIC
    that's for sure! And for people who want to be rude on to others than may
    others be rude onto you. GOD BLESS the people who actually learn outside of
    CIC because learning only in CIC is dangerous thank you to all the agents!
    Its Dangerous because they get you in jail because that is their jobs....
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    Max Hemmingway <maxhemmingway@gmail.com> Jan 05 07:27AM -0800 ^
     
    > I might have left out thekitchen sink...
     
    > Colin
    Yes, you not only left out the kitchen sink but the dishwasher as
    well. (LOL)
    Let me explain.
    The only option we have using your method is download the files,
    install Adobe Reader if you don't already have it installed, open the
    files individually, review them and print them out if you want to use
    them. Then of course there is the problem of losing the files when
    your hard drive crashes. It is never a question of whether or not your
    hard drive will crash, it is only a question of when it will crash.
     
    DRUMROLL!!!!
    Enter THE DISHWASHER
    http://tinyurl.com/ybevmte
     
    With the DISHWASHER

     

    Max Hemmingway <maxhemmingway@gmail.com> Jan 05 07:32AM -0800 ^
     
    > hard drive will crash, it is only a question of when it will crash.
     
    > DRUMROLL!!!!
    > Enter THE DISHWASHER
     
    http://tinyurl.com/ybevmte
     
    > With the DISHWASHER you can open the files, view them on line and if you wish you can either print them out or download them.
     
    You also have access to a growing list of other files and discussions
    from this group.

     

    Natty <yes-iya@live.com> Jan 05 06:25AM -0800 ^
     
    Greetings All,
     
    I have just had a son born this new year and I wanted to know the
    process to get a brith certificate and all other documents without
    signing him over to the state by doing it the usual way. Any thoughts?
    What exactly will this mean for my son? Will he be a sovereign
    entity?
     
    Please give as much information as possible because I have so many
    questions I don't even know them all.
     
    Peace,
    Isatu

     


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    Caitibird <silver4homes@gmail.com> Jan 04 10:41PM -0800 ^
     
    Hi all,
    Any help locating Ryun's method for Money orders would be greatly
    appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Caitlin

     

    Michael Dobbins <frozin1234@gmail.com> Jan 04 10:51PM -0800 ^
     
    I see a lot of websites that use this case to prove there is a
    fictitious entity and government is fiction and man needs a fiction in
    order to associate with government. Here is the court case most of
    these sites quote;
     
    (S.C.R. 1795, Penhallow vs. Doan's Administrators, 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed.
    57; 3 Dall. 54, Supreme Court of the United States 1795)
     
    "In as much as every government is an artificial person, an
    abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can
    interface only with other artificial persons. The imaginary, having
    neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and
    attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this is
    that no government, as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc.
    can concern itself with anything other than corporate, artificial
    persons and the contracts between them."
     
    I pulled up the court case here http://anonym.to/?http://supreme.justia.com/us/3/54/case.html
    and can not find this at all. Was it removed?
     
    I do understand that the statute of person is defined as a corporation
    and that a maxim of law is inclusion of one is the exclusion of all
    others.. But is there actual court cases that can actually be searched
    that says something to the extent of what this court case says? Right
    now i'm under the impression that most of those freedom sites that are
    using this court case is using a made up opinion in order to
    manipulate its readers.

     

    Colin <goldenears69@yahoo.com> Jan 05 01:22AM -0800 ^
     
    Well that Supreme Court Registry (I believe is the full name) is very
    old. So it may not have been uploaded. You can take that citation to
    a good law library and ask the librarian to help you find it.
     
    But if you consider what we know about law and commerce from so many
    other sources, this teaching is just as true as can be even if that
    particular citation is not real. But I suspect it is. That is a full
    citation with all the reference abbreviations intact.
     
    Colin
     
    csandm <garyesilverman@gmail.com> Jan 04 11:11PM -0800 ^
     
    I tried to download this at the link
    and was told that the limit was reached
     
    How can I get a copy of this conference call?
    Gary
     

     

 Topic: Doug Riddle
    ParadigmShifter <earthsaverproducts@gmail.com> Jan 04 10:35PM -0800 ^
     
    Here is what Dave Mack responded to me with:
     
    You call the number 724-444-7444 and then put in the pin 54318#. You
    want to be muted when you are not talking and to do that you press *6
    and when you want to talk you press *6 again to unmute. If you want
    to "raise your hand" to talk you press *8.
     
    All there is to it.
     
    Dave
     
     
    Then I went to the call and heard lots of great stuff to do with A4V -
    I feel much more confident after this call.
    Next week Monday Dave's call is said to have Jerry Kane on and lots
    of "great new stuff" on Foreclosure - I think he said new and
    exciting stuff to do with foreclosure from Tim Turner? will be
    presented.
    This Monday night call is said to be archived at talk shoe with the
    PIN used to access it? Does that sound right?
    ParadigmShifter

     

    GregTheDude <gregsuite-forum@yahoo.com> Jan 04 09:42PM -0800 ^
     
    Hi
     
    How can one determine whether a particular company or lending
    institution can beneficially process an A4V?
    In other words, what are the criteria whereby they can access this
    trust/credit?
     
    Furthermore, what are typical mistakes to avoid in this process?
     
    Cheerio -   
    GregTheDude <gregsuite-forum@yahoo.com> Jan 04 09:34PM -0800 ^
     
    This Q may provide a long, but very useful answer for us:
     
    Would Kevin kindly list all the prerequisites that one needs before &
    during filing of the 1099A & OID?
     
    In other words, things like:
    - which public benefits to cancel/avoid and for what period of time
    before filing (e.g. Unemployment benefits, etc)
    - which past things could cause a glitch (e.g. wrong type of bank
    account <interest bearing>, which banks may be uncooperative,
    particular past IRS problems, ...)
    - what are the obvious mistakes to avoid (preventing FF) on the
    1099 & subsequent 1040 forms
    - how to properly address the question of stating/figuring out the
    correct amounts (which would require painstaking calculations of an
    entire year's activity on a single account)
    - list any other common mistakes to avoid
     
    Cheerio
    GregTheDude
     

     

 Topic: Tax Question
    Ambientlght <tlquick44@gmail.com> Jan 04 07:11PM -0800 ^
     
    Hello,
    I am hoping someone can help me to resolve this issue, I will be
    recieving some of my funds from a union annunity fund soon and they
    want to tax me a 20% penalty tax for early withdrawl. Is there anyway
    around this? They say they are going to deduct it fom the check they
    issue before I even recieve it. I am hoping there is a form I can send
    along with my request for withdrawl form or something to stop them
    from deducting these fees.
    Any help is greatly appreciated,
    Tom
    Raymond <rayren98@gmail.com> Jan 04 08:36PM -0800 ^
     
    You can try changing your exemptions that you have on file with them
    before they issue your payment. This should alleviate some (if not
    all) of .the tax withholding from your check. Of course, when you file
    your tax return, it will come back to "bite you" if you don't have the
    necessary deductions to offset it.
    Ambientlght <tlquick44@gmail.com> Jan 04 09:01PM -0800 ^
     
    But the question is can they legally tax me if the funds are not part
    of nor intended for use in " Trade or Business"
    Ambientlght <tlquick44@gmail.com> Jan 04 09:22PM -0800 ^
     
    The only way a goverment can lawfully aquire a right over your private
    property without just compensation mandated by the 5th amendment to
    the Constitution is by your own consent. (which I believe I may have
    granted them by using my ss# to open the account in the first place)
     
    Now the funds are in an account under my SS# which I put in when I
    signed up with the union, and in order to with drawl the funds I must
    provide my SS#. But there must be some form or letter I can write to
    state that I will be responsable for the taxes if there are any and
    they must remit the withdrawl to me in full.
     
    Thanks Ray for the advise but I don't think it matters if I have 1 or
    10 deductions they are still going to tax it at 20%. The forms have no
    area on them to submit a deduction.
     
    Any other suggestions?
     

     

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