Thursday, January 7, 2010

Creditors-in-commerce Daily Digest for 01/07/2010




  • Birth Certificates and Bonds [4 Updates]

  • [No Subject] [3 Updates]

  • "Part 1.2" attachment [2 Updates]

  • Finding the TRUSTEE [2 Updates]

  • What will You do? [1 Update]

  • AFVing an IRS bill? [2 Updates]

  • Pastor Tony King [1 Update]

  • "Enemy Combatant" [1 Update]

  • NON-DOMESTIC Without US [1 Update]

  • Help on Banking OID [1 Update]

  • Finding EIN numbers, CEOs and getting information [1 Update]

  • Bank Fraud Package - Learn, Apply and Pass on the Knowledge [1 Update]

  • Dever Area group [1 Update]

  • Need a Notary in Las Vegas who can do Notary Presentment [1 Update]

  • A new idea [1 Update]

  • Video: "Suspected Enemy combantant" no longer a "Person" [1 Update]

  • Remedy After Dishonor: (is this possible)? [1 Update]



Topic:Birth Certificates and Bonds


    John Ingress huboftheclub@gmail.com Jan 06 07:52PM -0500 ^

    Christian Walters has an interesting point of view about AFV the BC.


    fisherman cleardayland@live.com Jan 06 07:15PM -0800 ^

    I have a good bond example, and was under the impression that filling
    the UCC1 would register my bond making it public. The un-employment
    is a good question I have the same type of questions regarding taking
    any benifits from the state when trying to create your privite vessel
    in the private jurisdiction. Sorry, to here about the job loss.
    Where do you call home?
    Clear


    fisherman cleardayland@live.com Jan 06 07:43PM -0800 ^

    I've never listened to CW. What I get out of this is that instead of
    just doing the AFV to the BC this might be a more effective way to
    establish myself with the DTC. From your understanding would it make
    since to be debt free and have utilities paid in advance before trying
    this. I'm a little new and not making any moves for a bit ecept
    IODing my 230k mortage and 36m of bank accounts. I came from the
    freedom movement and now very intested in commerce. Do you listen to
    CW? Have you been studing how to be a creditor for some time? What
    are you thoughts on this call?


    Donna Lee deeleesa@hotmail.com; Jan 06 11:02PM -0500 ^

    My opinion of CW aka Christian Walters....
    The man is a freaking GENIUS. Operates everything in Trust/s. When you operate in Trust/s
    you remove yourself from Statutory Law. Simply beautiful.

    Donna Lee
    www.NotaryPresenters.com




Topic: [No Subject]




    "Larry" lwarneke001@satx.rr.com Jan 06 09:40PM -0600 ^

    Even a courthouse?
    -----Original Message-----

    On Behalf Of james darby
    Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:15 PM
    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce]

    knowsx.com 5 dollars get anybodys ein #

    Clear Dayland cleardayland@live.com Jan 06 11:01PM -0500 ^





    Greetings,
    Entrepreneur's of 2010 I'm a man created by God looking for people
    like myself that are interested in a study network group outlining how
    to be a creditor coming from an abundant spiritual level.
    I cam from the freedom movement and now studding the Living Temple
    (almost thru the audios), my goal is to be a creditor. Looking for people that would also like to
    be in harmony with the government and not anti-government.
    Preferring members near the Twin Cities Metro area of Minnesota. Please if you know of any current groups I would be much obliged.

    With Love and Gratitude,
    Clear Wind Dayland




Topic: "Part 1.2" attachment


    Brandon bmmmtt@gmail.com Jan 06 08:57PM -0600 ^

    Just wondering if everyone else is getting this attachment as well.
    I've started to receive it with -every- CIC message, starting 1-5-10.




    "Larry" Jan 06 09:43PM -0600 ^

    I hope somebody figures out how to get rid of it!!

    -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Brandon
    Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:58 PM
    To: Creditors in Commerce
    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] "Part 1.2" attachment

    Just wondering if everyone else is getting this attachment as well.
    I've started to receive it with -every- CIC message, starting 1-5-10.






    Nun Jan 06 07:28PM -0800 ^

    Who is the Trustee for a Mortgage. I want to fire them. Are they the
    Law firm that is bring the foreclosure claim against me. or is it the
    Title company. How would I find out who my the trustee is.?


    "Larry" Jan 06 09:40PM -0600 ^

    It recorded in you deed probably.

    -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Nun
    Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 9:29 PM
    To: Creditors in Commerce
    Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] Finding the TRUSTEE

    Who is the Trustee for a Mortgage. I want to fire them. Are they the
    Law firm that is bring the foreclosure claim against me. or is it the
    Title company. How would I find out who my the trustee is.?




Topic: What will You do?


    Jim Palmisano Jan 06 09:16PM -0600 ^

    Find me just one man or woman or person or corporation or attorney or judge or grand jury that has read and understands all the codes, rules, procedures, local, state, and federal etc...

    You will find none because it is impossible for any one to know. So what are we doing? Fighting a losing battle? If the common man, woman, person, corporation whatever cannot fully understand these alleged laws then they are all null and void and we are only playing the game that the vultures set up. These efforts are worthless because no one can totally understand all of these laws in it's entirety.

    We, as the sovereign individual(no definition required), have no need for all of this bullshit. It's very simple. Did you make a contract? Did you say you would do this for that? Did you perform according to that agreement? If not you have a problem. Do you need to go search endless codes, statutes, alleged laws to find your remedy? NO!

    Our peers will find and produce the remedy in deliberation between themselves. Not a judge, prosecutor, bogus grand jury under the direction of the alleged prosecutor, etc...

    1) Were you a signatory to the Constitution for the United States? NO! If you did you are already dead.
    2) Were you a signatory accepting all these alleged rules, codes, statutes, etc...? NO! What sane person would allow such?

    3) Did you sign a document allowing someone else to do these things on your behalf even if it was against your will? I doubt anyone would accept this.

    So where are we?

    How about something as simple as this: We need food, clothing, and shelter period. Just enough to sustain our lives. The rest we can figure out within our local peer groups.

    The rest is nothing but bullshit put out by bullshitters to take advantage of others and they are doing it constantly and this forum acknowledges this fraud and accepts it. Sad to say it but it's the truth.

    We are to be beholden to none. If we wish to contract with someone then we will be held to the contract and we may allow our peers to oversee that contract. If you do wrong then you will be punished by your local peers period. If you don't want to be held to the opinions of your peers then nobody will contract with you and you are on your own which is totally acceptable. If you do harm to someone then your peers may take action against you to prevent another occurrence.

    I am tired of all this and am taking on a new mindset. Do you want to contract with me? Great! If not, no big deal. But I refuse to be held to these bogus codes, statutes, etc... for which I was not a part of the process. It is all null and void.

    So will you join me in the family of man or do you want to continue trying to figure out how to get around the system the vultures have created?

    I'm tired and I've had enough. Why not just make a phone call to your Judges, Courts, Representatives, Senators, etc... and just say you don't agree and will not follow their bogus alleged laws and will defend yourself and your community against their control efforts.

    What say you?

    James Christopher




Topic: AFVing an IRS bill?




    earthsaver Jan 06 08:37PM -0600 ^

    Steve,
    I believe you would be best served posting such a question to the
    group....therefore I'm taking the liberty to do so.
    My 2 cents would be Living Temple Seminars has a whole session on it - I
    think.
    Then Colin just posted several doc's here on the google group.
    And you may also search for anything by Doug Riddle -(angelicnutrition....)
    What else?
    Check out FAQ page and the page for beginners.
    "Everything I need to know" is not found all in one place in my opinion.
    Tonite's call TalkShoe conference call with Clark is talking about A4V the
    IRS right now!

    Anyone else got advice for Steve?
    Later,
    ParadigmShifter


    From: Steve
    Date: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM
    Subject: AFVing an IRS Bill
    To: ParadigmShifter

    Where can I got to find out everything I need to know about how to do this?
    I've got 2 actual bills from them (for past years), and one more coming
    (the biggest one).
    Thanks, Steve

    --
    "Where the people fear the government, you have tyranny; where the
    government fears the people, you have liberty." - Thomas Jefferson




Topic: Pastor Tony King


    phlippermerlin Jan 06 06:08PM -0800 ^

    Where is a good Pastor Tony King resource site?






    "J.D.B" Jan 06 08:57PM -0500 ^

    Its only so long before sovereigns are declared Enemy Combatant,,,,,Do we
    need to send out a treaty before they make assumptions about our status and
    call us UN-persons? Any input is welcomed

    --
    James of the Bogan Family
    Bogan Investments LLC.
    "Without Prejudice" "Without Recourse"
    Skype: Bogan.Investments



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Topic: NON-DOMESTIC Without US


    geallaxy Jan 06 05:54PM -0800 ^

    What does the expression as part of the address mean: "Non-Domestic
    without the US" ?
    What does it signify? What does it do? When should/could one use it
    meaningfully?
    I have seen this expression on versions of affidavits used by parties
    living in other countries.
    Brandon uses this for his International Remedy Demand Documents.
    Thanks




Topic: Help on Banking OID


    Jarred Sawczyszyn Jan 06 05:36PM -0800 ^

    you didnt answer my question ... lol im sorry but is this some kind
    of trend...
    ask a person a question and they just seem to not realize any question
    was asked? lol

    Not to mean offensively AT ALL.. just saying... reading is a BIG THING
    with all of this "stuff".the entire OID portion is already understood and easily to find a
    clear explanation of it by simply searching the group. Some people can also just search my name
    or check out my posts and youll find me talking lots about OID.
    "Tell me what you believe BOX 4 means.. it states.. "4 Federal income
    tax withheld" Now really look at that and explain what you think it means, Ill
    explain my opinion on it after"




Topic: Finding EIN numbers, CEOs and getting information


    "Bruce Meyers"; Jan 06 05:34PM -0800 ^

    Here are a couple resources and ideas that many don't know how to find things so here are my better solutions that may be of help to you:

    Go on line and google it and find the phone number.
    1.. Call the company and say you are interested in knowing about the bank and could they send you a portfolio.
    2.. You can even buy 1 share and get their info on a regular basis.
    3.. You can call a stock broker.
    Now if you cannot find the number:
    4. Call your local library and ask them the name, phone number, address.
    5. Call the local chamber of commerce. They are wonderful and usually full of knowledge.
    Here is one statement that is wonderful to get numbers: my accountant asked me for this. The people then feel like Oh, that is alright then.
    Hope this is of use to you.

    Bruce

    Bruce Meyers
    (425) 223-5684
    speakerbruce@yahoo.com
    Why pay on a mortgage? Learn the truth: http://tinyurl.com/IOwnMyHome




Topic: Bank Fraud Package - Learn, Apply and Pass on the Knowledge
Jan 06 05:34PM -0800 ^


    DO YOUR OWN DUE DILIGENCE.
    NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
    JUST SHARING OF LEGAL INFORMATION.
    SHARED BETWEEN PRIVATE SOULS, NOT PUBLIC PERSONS.

    From: Dave Mack [mailto:mack2001@swbell.net]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:25 AM
    To: Dave Mack
    Subject: Newest FBI Docs with corrections...Needs to go VIRAL!!!!

    The contents of the attached file are something unlike anything you have
    ever read. Go to the read me first instructions and then read "Where
    Does The Fraud Begin". The rest is then up to you.

    The attached documents are the most recent with minor corrections after the time to comment.
    Now it is time to bring this to every corner of the country. This WILL
    make a difference in this country if people will read, understand and
    ACT to do something. If you know people in the media....take this to
    them and talk to them. If you know attorneys........put it in front of
    them. If you know judges.......put it in front of them. If you have a
    court case........enter this information into the record. If you know
    clerks in recorders offices......give them a copy. If you are in
    foreclosure.......get this to all involved in any way.

    IF YOU ARE, OR HAVE BEEN, IN FORECLOSURE, DO NOT MAKE EMPTY PROMISES OF IT
    GOING TO THE FBI. MAKE A POINT OF TAKING IT YOURSELF, IN PERSON, AND
    TELLING THEM YOU ARE A VICTIM AND YOU WANT THEM TO INVESTIGATE.

    Working together we CAN change things.........it is up to every one of you.
    Let's put this information in front of EVERYONE in the country!!

    CHARGE!!!!!!




Topic: Dever Area group


    721Matt

    I'm in the Parker area and would be interested in meeting....




Topic: Need a Notary in Las Vegas who can do Notary Presentment


    IN VISABLE

    Hello all-

    I need to respond to a FF from our friend Maureen Green and need a Notary
    who is brave enough to do a presentment. I have not been able to find one
    yet. If you are one or know of one please send me a private email.

    --
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    Jason of the family Allen

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    remains as My property. Access, disclosure, distribution, copying of and or
    copying by any means by any device or retrieval systems is prohibited
    without the explicit written permission of the author. Reliance on any of it
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    result in civil and or criminal actions, and or tried by common law. Please
    delete if obtained in error and email confirmation to the sender.




Topic: A new idea


    Max Hemmingway maxhemmingway@gmail.com

    I have a new idea or at least it is new to me. Let's have some comment
    on it and see where we go with it.

    If I go to court and file a motion and they charge me money I have
    hired them to do something for me. Right? Therefore I become their
    employer, do I not? why not wait until the end of the year or whenever
    and turn in a 1099 to the IRS for the amount of any fines or court
    costs? All we should need is their tax ID number which isn't hard to
    get as I understand it.

    I have no idea what would happen if we did that but it sure ought to
    cause somebody some headaches. Just hope it don't turn out to be us.
    (LOL)

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Topic: Video: "Suspected Enemy combantant" no longer a "Person"


    Craig Painter
    I have never been a Person!
    Why would you want to be a legal fiction? Or a mask that an actor
    wears?




Topic: Remedy After Dishonor: (is this possible)?


    Manji
    Hello everyone.

    There is a credit card I defaulted on. I tried to apply for a new
    credit card with he same exact bank I defaulted with. Of course they
    basically sent in a letter stating that they could not approve me for
    the credit card I applied for because of credit obligations I had with
    them has been delinquent.

    I working on writing a letter to ask them if they could send me some
    kind of bill or payoff statement, so that I can "settle" the
    obligations and if they could agree to approve me of a credit card
    upon condition the credit obligations are "settled".

    Please share your thoughts, opinions, advice, suggestions, and
    feedback if you have any.

    Well, I wish everyone a wonderful new year.

    Damean

    Loving Kindness






 

Wednesday, January 6, 2010

Creditors-in-commerce Daily Digest Summary 01/06/2010

Group: http://groups.google.com/group/creditors-in-commerce/topics

    Colin <goldenears69@yahoo.com> Jan 06 12:47AM -0800 ^
     
    Max posted the documents to a web page where they will always be
    available.
     
    Link above.
     
    Colin
     
     

     

    Ambientlght <tlquick44@gmail.com> Jan 06 01:51AM -0800 ^
     
    Why is the IRS voucher form in your example different from the one
    posted on Doug's website? It seems to be the same example but the
    acceptance language is different in that it is not on a 45 degree
    angle and it does not mention the exempt from levy verbage nor does it
    show the SSN written with no dashes and then with dashes. Which is
    the correct form?
     
    Thanks,
    Tom

     

 Topic: 1099OID/1099A
    dh <rhinoman222@netzero.com> Jan 06 01:32AM -0800 ^
     
    Could someone point me in the right direction in filling out these
    forms. I've listen to Living Temple downloads and am still not clear.
    Thanks. dh

     

    Max Kuzkin <kuzkinmax@gmail.com> Jan 06 12:48AM -0800 ^
     
    Andy advice on my Motion would be great!
     
    #3 and #4 needs to be modified a bit and I would like to put some codes in
    there to support that I never had a contract with this collection agency..
     
    Thank you
    Katie
    --
    PUBLIC NOTICE

     

    Max Kuzkin <kuzkinmax@gmail.com> Jan 05 08:36PM -0800 ^
     
    Hello,
     
    I just got served tonight with papers in regards to a collection agency
    trying to collect FRNs... I have to respond back to the court within 20
    days. Lets just say that this is not my specialty and need some help on
    responding to the plaintiff through the court..
     
    Input is much appreciate
     
    Katie
     
    --
    PUBLIC NOTICE

     

    onijunbei <brianbourju@yahoo.com> Jan 05 11:53PM -0800 ^
     
    This is the guy who is helping me out with my summons, and he has been
    doing this sort of thing for 15 years.
     
     
     
    Gary Wallis
     
    libopp@bellsouth.net
     
    770-592-1402

     

    JoyceM <joymor@gmail.com> Jan 05 11:53PM -0800 ^
     
    I don't know if there is a group in Denver or not but I know two
    people in Golden/Wheatridge that would be interested in meeting.
     

     

    Max Kuzkin <kuzkinmax@gmail.com> Jan 05 11:44PM -0800 ^
     
    Hi,
     
    I need other persons inputs on a few things in here and advice is gladly
    appreciated..
     
    My first issue is #1 the collection agency I guess is in the same town and
    state as to where I reside so I would be definitely lying about this.
    Opinions?
     
    #6 has two blank spots and I am contemplating on what I am suppose to put
    there. If it is as simple as I think it is then why is there blanks for the
    simple phrases I was thinking of putting in there? Any thoughts?
     
    The paragraph after #7 where it has red type, its says send a copy to some
    senator. what for? I am thinking of just putting a period after seq. Unless
    someone has a better idea?
     
    The next paragraphs don't pertain to me so I was just going to delete them
    including the evidence of falsification because I have no evidence.
     
    where it says encls: I was going to delete number 1 and 2 and leave the
    notice of demand to validate debt claim if I can find help on that..
     
    Can you all please scrutinize my affidavit? PLEASE!
     
    Thank you
    --
    PUBLIC NOTICE

     

    Max Kuzkin <kuzkinmax@gmail.com> Jan 05 11:48PM -0800 ^
     
    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: Max Kuzkin <kuzkinmax@gmail.com>
    Date: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:44 PM
    Subject: Affidavit of Denial. Tell me what you think
    To: Creditors in Commerce <creditors-in-commerce@googlegroups.com>
     
     
    Hi,
     
    I need other persons inputs on a few things in here and advice is gladly
    appreciated..
     
    My first issue is #1 the collection agency I guess is in the same town and
    state as to where I reside so I would be definitely lying about this.
    Opinions?
     
    #6 has two blank spots and I am contemplating on what I am suppose to put
    there. If it is as simple as I think it is then why is there blanks for the
    simple phrases I was thinking of putting in there? Any thoughts?
     
    The paragraph after #7 where it has red type, its says send a copy to some
    senator. what for? I am thinking of just putting a period after seq. Unless
    someone has a better idea?
     
    The next paragraphs don't pertain to me so I was just going to delete them
    including the evidence of falsification because I have no evidence.
     
    where it says encls: I was going to delete number 1 and 2 and leave the
    notice of demand to validate debt claim if I can find help on that..
     
    Can you all please scrutinize my affidavit? PLEASE!
     
    Thank you
    --
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    > property rights or reserved rights. UCC 1-308
     
    > Notice to Principal is Notice to Agent / Notice to Agent is Notice to
     
     
     
     
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    PUBLIC NOTICE

     

    Michael Alpough <michaelalpough@yahoo.com> Jan 05 10:46PM -0800 ^
     
    Where do I get my EIN ?
    It was Wamu sold to Chase.
    Can I OID cash withdrawels used to pay rent or am I out of luck?
    Do I have to go in complete detail on every tranaction in my spreadsheet for each month?.
    Thanks for any Help,
    Michael

     

    A B <securedparty@gmail.com> Jan 05 10:10PM -0800 ^
     
    Perhaps now their status will be recognized as man or woman, which of course
    is higher status than person
     
     
     

     

    txpete <pjsteelejr@Yahoo.com> Jan 05 08:20PM -0800 ^
     
    could not find call on talkshoe. will there be a recording
     

     

    taranova <taranova72@yahoo.com> Jan 05 08:00PM -0800 ^
     
    All they are doing is saying I witness the sending of such document.
    We have to go above the law ourselves and start sending REAL judges
    our UCC 1-308 evidence that we did not allocute these agreements
    ourselves. Let's start sending these to all REAL Judges so they know!

     

    tawood <tawood1010@gmail.com> Jan 05 08:49PM -0600 ^
     
    How do I get back freshly lost home? It was foreclosed and redemption
    expired less than 30 days ago(dec8).

     

    Bmorpheus <zestrada@hotmail.com> Jan 05 06:45PM -0800 ^
     
    how i can disput a dee upon sale? is that posible??

     

    Stever <stevergee@gmail.com> Jan 05 04:30PM -0800 ^
     
    Max - I am not sure I follow what you are talking about - did you want
    to discuss this?
     

     


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Tuesday, January 5, 2010

Daily Digest (2) for 01.05/2010

Group: http://groups.google.com/group/creditors-in-commerce/topics

    ibme <magnbp@gmail.com> Jan 05 10:50AM -0800 ^
     
    Does anyone have examples of amended promissory notes that is not
    selling those examples?

     

    Branko Brankov <branko_brankov@yahoo.com> Jan 05 10:26AM -0800 ^
     
     
     
    HI,
     
    DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO OBTAIN A COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT OF AN CORPORATION?
     
    THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR REPLY, BRANKO

     

    Max Hemmingway <maxhemmingway@gmail.com> Jan 05 06:47AM -0800 ^
     
    The way to find out more about that or any other case almost no matter
    what court the decision came from is to write down the case cite
    references or the case name and take it to your local law library and
    ask them to shepardize the case. It will cost a small amount of money
    but the librarians will do it for you. Then you can print out the list
    of cases that comes up and research those.
     
    This will give you a complete historical background and what newer
    cases have referred to that case, what types of cases referred to that
    case and what the outcomes were in a synopsis format. If you find a
    case similiar to your case then you can shepardize that (those) case
    (s) ad infinitium, ad nauseum. So while one case can be shepardized
    very inexpensively, doing multiple searches to really track down the
    total history of a large subset of cases could get very expensive.
     
    This is the method used by lawyers to build their cases and judges
    use it to help them make decisions in difficult cases. Lawyers don't
    care what it costs if their clients have deep pockets and judges don't
    care either because taxpayers foot the bill.
     
    The information gained from shepardizing cases can be extremely
    valuable to Pro Se litigants as well.
    Max
    Toxic Assets Recovery Inc.
    (302) 369-8448
    Asset protection specialists.
     
     

     

    DH <dhpsbg@yahoo.com> Jan 05 07:34AM -0800 ^
     
    Once again, this court case has been making its rounds again and
    again.... It is completely false and the Biggest Bull_hit Quote I have
    read. I went to my local Law Library years ago when I first received
    it. I read the case several times which is probably 30 to 40 pages
    long. NEVER found this quote. Please, before anyone sends out
    information, Why don’t you confirm it first???
     

     

    DH <dhpsbg@yahoo.com> Jan 05 08:25AM -0800 ^
     
    I say this to those that do not confirm but pass hearsay along
    continually:
     
    WHAT is the first hand knowledge of your statement?
     
    WHERE did you get the first hand knowledge of your statement?
     
    WHEN did you get this first hand knowledge?
     
    WHY do you consider this to be first hand knowledge?
     

     

    Possibility <sonofjohn4@hotmail.com> Jan 05 08:39AM -0800 ^
     
    Your quote appears to be attributed to Penhallow v. Doane's
    Administrators, 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed. 57; 3 Dall. 54 (1795) online at <
    http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/YouInc.htm > .
     
    The entire opinion is posted online at <
    http://supreme.justia.com/us/3/54/case.html > . The quote does not
    appear in the text. In fact, the fragment in quotes "governments are
    corporations" does not appear in the opinion at all. The word
    "governments" appears twice and the word "government" appears seven
    times. There is no use of the word "corporation" or "corporations" in
    the text.
     
    You also can try to read the decision at a Virginia Law Library, which
    you will find listed at <
    http://www.washlaw.edu/statecourtcounty/ > .
     
    Public Services Division
    Law Library of Congress
     

     

    Possibility <sonofjohn4@hotmail.com> Jan 05 10:02AM -0800 ^
     
    My apolgies for omitting the following from my last post.
     
    I email the Library of Congrees and asked them for the source of the
    Penhallow quote posted on CIC. I too have not been able to find the
    quote in the ase in the past.
     
    The following response is what I received berbatim from the staff at
    the library of COngress - my source to this point.
     
    "Your quote appears to be attributed to Penhallow v.
    Doane'sAdministrators, 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed. 57; 3 Dall. 54 (1795) online
    at <http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/YouInc.htm > .
    The entire opinion is posted online at <http://supreme.justia.com/us/
    3/54/case.html > .
     
    The quote does notappear in the text. In fact, the fragment in quotes
    "governments arecorporations" does not appear in the opinion at all.
    The word"governments" appears twice and the word "government" appears
    seventimes. There is no use of the word "corporation" or
    "corporations" inthe text.
     
    You also can try to read the decision at a Virginia Law Library,
    whichyou will find listed at <http://www.washlaw.edu/statecourtcounty/
    > .
     
     
    Regards
    On Jan 5, 11:39 am, Possibility <sonofjo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

     

    Nun <service@mbartonproductions.com> Jan 05 06:20AM -0800 ^
     
    Do you have the information on how to stop a foreclosure. My home has
    an sale date for 1/21/10/ I wanted to try to stop the sale. can you
    help me and give me any information you have.
     

     

    Fathom Worldwide <fathomworldwide@gmail.com> Jan 05 10:59AM -0700 ^
     
    Nun I wasn't in foreclosure when I used this. It helped me thwart the bank
    on a Heloc and really explains how we got in this mess. He does give steps
    on how to fight foreclosure in all stages of the game. You may want to
    google him as his process might be updated.
     
    If you have the funds these guys look pretty promising as well
    www.livingfreeandclear.com
     
    Nothing is bullet proof but amending the promissory note makes a lot of
    sense because they will use it against you the way it is constructed
    originally.
     
    Hope this helps.
     
    Fathom
     

     

 Topic: hee hee!
    Catrise Paige <periphery@gmail.com> Jan 05 07:11AM -0800 ^
     
    this circus is getting so funny! i don't remember when i've heard so many
    agents volleying on one forum! :D
     
    (imo, everybody should get a prophetic symbols dictionary or three and look
    up zoo, clown, monkey and drunk - in that order!)
     
    feel free to block or remove. :P
     
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    Max Hemmingway <maxhemmingway@gmail.com> Jan 05 07:59AM -0800 ^
     

    > feel free to block or remove.  :P
     
    > --
    > ~ All Rights Reserved ~
    And please tell us where we can find a prophetic symbols dictionary or
    three?
     
    Also please tell me what significance zoo, clown, monkey and drunk
    have to do with what is being discussed here.
     
    Or were you just trying to be funny or sarcastic? If so, that isn't
    the way to make friends and influence people. If you think some of
    what is being discussed here is somehow wrong then maybe you ought to
    jump in and help make it better for all. Tell us what you think is
    wrong with what is being said in this forum. Don't just criticize,
    contribute.
     
    I too feel that some of what is posted here is utter nonsense but much
    of it does have legal and common sense value. Criticism is easy.
    Figuring out what is wrong and helping fix it is another ballgame
    entirely. That takes work, knowledge and understanding and at least
    enough intelligence to walk and chew gum at the same time.
     
    Quite frankly, posts such as yours make me wonder if you can do the
    latter.
    Prove me wrong.

     

    J Mani <jmani2006@gmail.com> Jan 05 09:07AM -0500 ^
     
    I'll agree with you that most do indeed go elsewhere for their "remedy".
    Despite that, there are some good reference materials and some good advice
    in the posts, just not all. But finding any group or forum where every post
    has valuable information is next to, if not literally, impossible. Talking a
    "good game" as you call it, is very much an attribute of the so-called
    "teachers" you seem to hold in such high regard. And I won't argue that
    there seem to be quite a number here, as will be found in any group. The old
    adage about walking the walk and talking the talk is represented in every
    group I monitor. Monitoring, or lurking as some call it, is a wonderful way
    to pick up little pieces that you keep until you've got enough pieces so
    they start to form an impression or picture. I really have no problem
    picking up these little pieces, wherever I happen to find them, to add to my
    personal collection. As far as your comment about being offended by your
    glowing commentary on Donna, you are way off base and couldn't possibly be
    more wrong. You have to really care what someone thinks or says to be
    offended by them. You don't matter in my world anymore than an errant fly
    would, nor I probably in yours. That's part of the problem with the members
    in these groups, they profess to be all "love and light", and want everyone
    to think that they really do "love their neighbor", while most who verbalize
    or write this drivel are no more concerned with your plight in life, or
    mine, than they would be for that errant fly.
     
    On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Fathom Worldwide

     

    T M <colostgrp@inbox.com> Jan 05 10:43AM -0500 ^
     
    My friend is no stranger to Commercial Redemption, Creditors in
    Commerce, etc. Been a listener of Jack Smith for years, which has left
    him confused and without direction. He is on this list, listened to
    Gordon Hall's seminars but very busy right now dealing with the
    situation, so I'm trying to help and asking for your help here.
    He has 3 small children and is trying to prevent losing them to the
    state because in OHIO if the mother is unfit and there is a divorce
    (which she is initiating) the state will come in and take the children.
    He discovered secret plans to take children out-of-state to PA which has
    automatic custody in 2 years. So he is trying to strike FIRST before
    things get this far.
    So he has_* 2 (two)** issues*_ - revoke consent (i.e. unincorporate
    the marriage ) from the STATE's marriage license -and- protect the
    children from STATE seizure. (property issue is covered, which is why
    she is going to PA - can't get house):
    1. He knows he made a mistake getting the marriage license, even
    though he was married by an unlicensed orthodox priest (which probably
    doesn't matter since church is 501c3).
    2. Does anyone have a SUCCESSFUL example & procedure, that can be
    verified, where someone used a UCC-1 in accordance with a natural
    right/common law/equity claim upon their children as his own 'original
    issue' from our Creator (God) to give notice of this priority claim?
    (in contradiction/rebuttal to the birth certificate)?
     
    For BOTH we are using a Claim of Right similiar to the following:

    http://claimofright.blogspot.com/2009/03/claimant-basadar-qadar-shar.html
     
    Any suggestions / additions to the fee schedule, references
    (case-examples) for higher-dollar amounts for arrest, etc... would be
    appreciated. I can share the example affidavit of Mistake & revocation
    of consent to Marriage license with someone willing to offer suggestions
    or just curious.
     
    Thanks, TM
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    T M <colostgrp@inbox.com> Jan 05 12:18PM -0500 ^
     
    Thank you for re-stating the obvious, but did you read what kind of
    help I was requesting? Have you done, what you suggested yourself, or
    know someone who has? Successfully? I was asking for SUCCESSFUL
    EXAMPLES, that can be verified, that any particular THEORY was
    successful. I have many examples, but no history of success to verify.
    The issue isn't JUST the revocation of consent and signature from
    the application for marriage license, it is also a re-contract (i.e.
    Claim of Right) on the children as 'original issue' from our Creator
    (not the state). The STATE, as a legal fiction, did not create ... nor
    has any equitable interest in the children themselves: just the trust
    funds created from application for regstration of the NAME (which
    resulted in a Birth Certificate & SSN limited liability mairtime
    insurance). We are trying to seperate the children from any 'seizure'
    by the STATE, because they are covered under the Father's Claim of Right
    as his original issue (from common law, standing on the land without
    contractual nexus with limited liability, defacto municipal/State
    corporations).
    Hope that clarifies. If not, please read this link:
    http://claimofright.blogspot.com/2009/03/claimant-basadar-qadar-shar.html
     
    J Mani wrote:
    > <mailto:creditors-in-commerce%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
    > For more options, visit this group at:
    > http://groups.google.com/group/creditors-in-commerce?hl=en?hl=en
     
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    and absent liability assumed, and without recourse;
    Todd M.
    AngelicNutrition@aol.com Jan 05 12:13PM -0500 ^
     
    How odd I can't find the original email nor do I have any information on
    how to be on the show. Anyone know about this program?
     
    Currently I have no idea where this is or how to make contact.
     
    Doug
     
    In a message dated 12/30/09 6:37:48 AM, writes:
 Topic: Tax Question
    Max Kuzkin <kuzkinmax@gmail.com> Jan 05 08:20AM -0800 ^
     
    I just don't think some get it! PRIVATE property. You have no private
    property you can't own private property why can't you own private property
    because people co mingle in the public and private. In order to actually
    have private property you have to operate your whole life in the private and
    never operate in the public again. And you aren't going to learn it form CIC
    that's for sure! And for people who want to be rude on to others than may
    others be rude onto you. GOD BLESS the people who actually learn outside of
    CIC because learning only in CIC is dangerous thank you to all the agents!
    Its Dangerous because they get you in jail because that is their jobs....
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    Max Hemmingway <maxhemmingway@gmail.com> Jan 05 07:27AM -0800 ^
     
    > I might have left out thekitchen sink...
     
    > Colin
    Yes, you not only left out the kitchen sink but the dishwasher as
    well. (LOL)
    Let me explain.
    The only option we have using your method is download the files,
    install Adobe Reader if you don't already have it installed, open the
    files individually, review them and print them out if you want to use
    them. Then of course there is the problem of losing the files when
    your hard drive crashes. It is never a question of whether or not your
    hard drive will crash, it is only a question of when it will crash.
     
    DRUMROLL!!!!
    Enter THE DISHWASHER
    http://tinyurl.com/ybevmte
     
    With the DISHWASHER

     

    Max Hemmingway <maxhemmingway@gmail.com> Jan 05 07:32AM -0800 ^
     
    > hard drive will crash, it is only a question of when it will crash.
     
    > DRUMROLL!!!!
    > Enter THE DISHWASHER
     
    http://tinyurl.com/ybevmte
     
    > With the DISHWASHER you can open the files, view them on line and if you wish you can either print them out or download them.
     
    You also have access to a growing list of other files and discussions
    from this group.

     

    Natty <yes-iya@live.com> Jan 05 06:25AM -0800 ^
     
    Greetings All,
     
    I have just had a son born this new year and I wanted to know the
    process to get a brith certificate and all other documents without
    signing him over to the state by doing it the usual way. Any thoughts?
    What exactly will this mean for my son? Will he be a sovereign
    entity?
     
    Please give as much information as possible because I have so many
    questions I don't even know them all.
     
    Peace,
    Isatu

     


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    Caitibird <silver4homes@gmail.com> Jan 04 10:41PM -0800 ^
     
    Hi all,
    Any help locating Ryun's method for Money orders would be greatly
    appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Caitlin

     

    Michael Dobbins <frozin1234@gmail.com> Jan 04 10:51PM -0800 ^
     
    I see a lot of websites that use this case to prove there is a
    fictitious entity and government is fiction and man needs a fiction in
    order to associate with government. Here is the court case most of
    these sites quote;
     
    (S.C.R. 1795, Penhallow vs. Doan's Administrators, 3 U.S. 54; 1 L.Ed.
    57; 3 Dall. 54, Supreme Court of the United States 1795)
     
    "In as much as every government is an artificial person, an
    abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can
    interface only with other artificial persons. The imaginary, having
    neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and
    attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this is
    that no government, as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc.
    can concern itself with anything other than corporate, artificial
    persons and the contracts between them."
     
    I pulled up the court case here http://anonym.to/?http://supreme.justia.com/us/3/54/case.html
    and can not find this at all. Was it removed?
     
    I do understand that the statute of person is defined as a corporation
    and that a maxim of law is inclusion of one is the exclusion of all
    others.. But is there actual court cases that can actually be searched
    that says something to the extent of what this court case says? Right
    now i'm under the impression that most of those freedom sites that are
    using this court case is using a made up opinion in order to
    manipulate its readers.

     

    Colin <goldenears69@yahoo.com> Jan 05 01:22AM -0800 ^
     
    Well that Supreme Court Registry (I believe is the full name) is very
    old. So it may not have been uploaded. You can take that citation to
    a good law library and ask the librarian to help you find it.
     
    But if you consider what we know about law and commerce from so many
    other sources, this teaching is just as true as can be even if that
    particular citation is not real. But I suspect it is. That is a full
    citation with all the reference abbreviations intact.
     
    Colin
     
    csandm <garyesilverman@gmail.com> Jan 04 11:11PM -0800 ^
     
    I tried to download this at the link
    and was told that the limit was reached
     
    How can I get a copy of this conference call?
    Gary
     

     

 Topic: Doug Riddle
    ParadigmShifter <earthsaverproducts@gmail.com> Jan 04 10:35PM -0800 ^
     
    Here is what Dave Mack responded to me with:
     
    You call the number 724-444-7444 and then put in the pin 54318#. You
    want to be muted when you are not talking and to do that you press *6
    and when you want to talk you press *6 again to unmute. If you want
    to "raise your hand" to talk you press *8.
     
    All there is to it.
     
    Dave
     
     
    Then I went to the call and heard lots of great stuff to do with A4V -
    I feel much more confident after this call.
    Next week Monday Dave's call is said to have Jerry Kane on and lots
    of "great new stuff" on Foreclosure - I think he said new and
    exciting stuff to do with foreclosure from Tim Turner? will be
    presented.
    This Monday night call is said to be archived at talk shoe with the
    PIN used to access it? Does that sound right?
    ParadigmShifter

     

    GregTheDude <gregsuite-forum@yahoo.com> Jan 04 09:42PM -0800 ^
     
    Hi
     
    How can one determine whether a particular company or lending
    institution can beneficially process an A4V?
    In other words, what are the criteria whereby they can access this
    trust/credit?
     
    Furthermore, what are typical mistakes to avoid in this process?
     
    Cheerio -   
    GregTheDude <gregsuite-forum@yahoo.com> Jan 04 09:34PM -0800 ^
     
    This Q may provide a long, but very useful answer for us:
     
    Would Kevin kindly list all the prerequisites that one needs before &
    during filing of the 1099A & OID?
     
    In other words, things like:
    - which public benefits to cancel/avoid and for what period of time
    before filing (e.g. Unemployment benefits, etc)
    - which past things could cause a glitch (e.g. wrong type of bank
    account <interest bearing>, which banks may be uncooperative,
    particular past IRS problems, ...)
    - what are the obvious mistakes to avoid (preventing FF) on the
    1099 & subsequent 1040 forms
    - how to properly address the question of stating/figuring out the
    correct amounts (which would require painstaking calculations of an
    entire year's activity on a single account)
    - list any other common mistakes to avoid
     
    Cheerio
    GregTheDude
     

     

 Topic: Tax Question
    Ambientlght <tlquick44@gmail.com> Jan 04 07:11PM -0800 ^
     
    Hello,
    I am hoping someone can help me to resolve this issue, I will be
    recieving some of my funds from a union annunity fund soon and they
    want to tax me a 20% penalty tax for early withdrawl. Is there anyway
    around this? They say they are going to deduct it fom the check they
    issue before I even recieve it. I am hoping there is a form I can send
    along with my request for withdrawl form or something to stop them
    from deducting these fees.
    Any help is greatly appreciated,
    Tom
    Raymond <rayren98@gmail.com> Jan 04 08:36PM -0800 ^
     
    You can try changing your exemptions that you have on file with them
    before they issue your payment. This should alleviate some (if not
    all) of .the tax withholding from your check. Of course, when you file
    your tax return, it will come back to "bite you" if you don't have the
    necessary deductions to offset it.
    Ambientlght <tlquick44@gmail.com> Jan 04 09:01PM -0800 ^
     
    But the question is can they legally tax me if the funds are not part
    of nor intended for use in " Trade or Business"
    Ambientlght <tlquick44@gmail.com> Jan 04 09:22PM -0800 ^
     
    The only way a goverment can lawfully aquire a right over your private
    property without just compensation mandated by the 5th amendment to
    the Constitution is by your own consent. (which I believe I may have
    granted them by using my ss# to open the account in the first place)
     
    Now the funds are in an account under my SS# which I put in when I
    signed up with the union, and in order to with drawl the funds I must
    provide my SS#. But there must be some form or letter I can write to
    state that I will be responsable for the taxes if there are any and
    they must remit the withdrawl to me in full.
     
    Thanks Ray for the advise but I don't think it matters if I have 1 or
    10 deductions they are still going to tax it at 20%. The forms have no
    area on them to submit a deduction.
     
    Any other suggestions?
     

     

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