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Patrickj <patrick@oneradionetwork.com> Jan 03 10:21AM -0800 ^
Agree with Donna. Not sure however it needs to be 72 hours, in Texas
it is 20 biz days.
one can write on the front page of suit something like.
I do not accept this offer. I do not consent to these proceedings. I
demand disxlosure of the bond with indemnifies me against your
actions. sign and date
if we don't enter into an arguent there's nothing for them to do. stay
out of court
onijunbei <brianbourju@yahoo.com> Jan 03 10:36AM -0800 ^
should I write this:
I do not accept this offer. I do not consent to these proceedings. I
demand disclosure of the bond with indemnifies me against your
actions. sign and date (or something to this effect)
and send to both the court and the attorneys for Citibank?
Donna Lee <deeleesa@hotmail.com> Jan 03 01:59PM -0500 ^
I have been privately accused by one individual that my advice to do a Return of Service is false, misleading and downright dangerous, that corporations have the Right to sue or be sued. I wholeheartedly disagree. We are the Grantors, we have control of our so called Contracts (that the other party never signed). Therefore we hold all the power. We can choose to Contract with a Law firm acting on behalf of an entity, or not. Does anybody disagree that these entities haven't already been paid off at the get go? However, silence is an act in and of itself. I consider advice of anything but that, to be dangerous. This is my opinion, I used Return of Service myself with amazing results.
I was provided the Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right from Mike and it's from thinkfree.ca I believe.
Notice of Understanding and Intent And Claim of Right
Submitted by Logic on Mon, 12/29/2008 - 10:26
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Dear, Addressed persons
I here present you with a Notice of Understanding and Intent. I am sending this letter out as a courtesy in order to avoid any further confusion or potential conflict. I am now expanding the reach of my discourse in order to maintain my honor and ensure maximum clarity between myself and all agents of government. After receiving this letter, please expect a Notice of Understanding and Claim of Right in order to ensure maximum clarity amongst all parties.As a peaceful man desiring to avoid conflict and live lawfully with maximum freedom, I have recently been studying the history of the united states along with its legal system and have come to some very interesting conclusions. After reading various acts and exploring the way language is used in those acts, I have realized that “lawful” and “legal” are not always the same. It also appears that all acts and statutes in US are only contracts based in commerce. Therefore I am now contacting the various government officials named above in the hopes that someone can either confirm or correct my understanding. If you do choose to respond with corrections, I must insist that you do so within Fourteen(14) days of service of this letter, in writing, via registered mail and provide proof of your claim, under oath or attestation with full commercial liability and penalty of perjury. A lack of response or response that does not contain proof of my mistaken understanding, on a point-by-point basis, will be assumed to imply agreement with my understanding. Failure to dispute the claims made herein will result in an automatic default judgment and permanent and irrevocable estoppel by acquiescence. Now, specifically in The United States I understand that there is both a common law and statute law tradition, which is interesting, because I also understand that a statute is a legislated rule of a society, which has the force of law upon members of that society; a society being a fictional legal entity such as a corporation. I also understand that the Government of the US is not a nation as I thought it was, occupying a geographical location, but instead merely a corporation with de-facto authority, rather than lawful. This corporation can only make corporate/contract law that has the force of law only upon its consenting members. From my research, the “law of the land,” is the peaceful common law, which is not influenced by acts and statutes. Under common law, the rights, freedoms, and duties of private individuals have long been established and unlike statute law, common law has had a progression towards more freedom and personal responsibility rather than less. Among the rights and freedoms understood by common law are such things as the rights to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, property and use thereof, privacy, peace, and the ability to travel freely in public without harassment or intimidation. The obligations and duties of those living under common law are essentially to ensure that one does not infringe or allow others to infringe upon those unalienable rights and freedoms.I have also learned that the rights of a free spiritual being cannot be lawfully limited without consent, as that would imply slavery. Effectively, rights are not bestowed upon one by another unless the first gives his/her consent, or the first is the lawful property of the second. The very nature of the concept of consent is that it can only exist amongst equals with full disclosure and without coercion. I do not recall ever being sold or purchased as a slave, nor do I recall giving my free consent to be governed or represented by any governmental agent, although at times I have been deceived and intimidated into submission. Although the various rights and freedoms are self-evident and unalienable, in order to be. In order for lawful representation to exist, there must be mutual consent, and that consent may be revoked for any reason depending on the nature of a specific contract between the two parties. I am hereby notifying all who read this and any other interested parties that I have revoked my consent to be governed by fictitious corporate entities with which I do not have a subsisting contract. I declare that I am neither a child nor a slave, but a free man capable of administering my own affairs.
Notice of Understanding and Intent And Claim of Right
Whereas it is my understanding The United States of America is a common law jurisdiction, and,
Whereas it is my understanding equality before the law is paramount and mandatory, and,
Whereas it is my understanding a statute is defined as a legislated rule of society which has been given the force of law, and,
Whereas it is my understanding a society is defined as a number of people joined by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal, and,
Whereas it is my understanding the only form of government recognized as lawful in The United States of America is a representative one, and,
Whereas it is my understanding representation requires mutual consent, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that in the absence of mutual consent neither representation nor governance can exist, and,
Whereas it is my understanding those who have a SSN (Social Security Number) are in fact employees of the federal government and thus are bound by the statutes created by the federal government, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that it is lawful to abandon one’s SSN, and,
Whereas it is my understanding people in The United States of America have a right to revoke or deny consent to be represented and thus governed, and,
Whereas it is my understanding if anyone does revoke or deny consent they exist free of government control and statutory restraints, and,
Whereas a Freeman-on-the-Land has lawfully revoked consent and does exist free of statutory restrictions, obligations, and limitations, and,
Whereas I, Given name: Family name am a Freeman-on-the-Land, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that acting peacefully within community standards does not breach
the peace, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that any action for which one can apply for and receive a license must itself be a fundamentally lawful action, and,
Whereas as I am a Freeman-on-the-Land who operates with full responsibility and not a child, I do not see the need to ask permission to engage in lawful and peaceful activities, especially from those who claim limited liability, and,
Whereas it is my understanding a by-law is defined as a rule of a corporation, and,
Whereas it is my understanding corporations are legal fictions and require contracts in order to claim authority or control over other parties, and,
Whereas it is my understanding legal fictions lack a soul and cannot exert any control over those who are thus blessed and operate with respect to that knowledge as only a fool would allow soulless fictions to dictate ones actions, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that I have a right to use my property without having to pay for the use or enjoyment of it, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that a summons is merely an invitation to attend and the ones issued by the United States or any of its agencies creates no obligation or dishonor if ignored, and,
Whereas it is my understanding peace officers have a duty to distinguish between statutes and law and those who attempt to enforce statutes against a Freeman-on-the-Land are in fact breaking the law, and,
Whereas I have the power to refuse intercourse or interaction with peace officers who have not observed me breach the peace, and,
Whereas permanent estoppel by acquiescence barring any peace officer or prosecutor from bringing charges against a Freeman-on-the-Land under any Act is created if this claim is not responded to in the stated fashion and time,
Therefore be it now known to any and all concerned and affected parties, that I, ______:_______a Freeman-on-the-Land do hereby state clearly specifically and unequivocally my intent to peacefully and lawfully exist free of all statutory obligations restrictions and maintain all rights at law to trade, exchange or barter.
Furthermore, I claim that these actions are not outside my communities’ standards and will in fact support said community in our desire for truth and maximum freedom.
Furthermore, I claim the right to engage in these actions and further claim that all property held by me is held under a claim of right.
Furthermore, I claim that anyone who interferes with my lawful activities after having been served notice of this claim and who fails to properly dispute or make lawful counterclaim is breaking the law, cannot claim good faith or colour of right and that such transgressions will be dealt with in a properly convened court de jure.
Furthermore, I claim that the courts in The United States are de-facto and are in fact in the profitable business of conducting, witnessing and facilitating the transactions of security interests and I further claim they require the consent of both parties prior to providing any such services.
Furthermore, I claim all transactions of security interests require the consent of both parties and I do hereby deny consent to any transaction of a security interest issuing under any Act for as herein stated as a Freeman-on-the-Land I am not subject to any Act.
Furthermore, I claim my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgressions by peace officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS PER HOUR or portion thereof if being questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed or otherwise regulated and TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS PER HOUR or portion thereof if I am handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and Notarized consent.
Furthermore, I claim the right to use a Notary Public to secure payment of the aforementioned FEE SCHEDULE against any transgressors who by their actions or omissions harm me or my interests, directly or by proxy in any way.
Furthermore, I claim the right to convene a proper court de jure in order to address any potentially criminal actions of any peace officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants who having been served notice of this claim fail to dispute or discuss or make lawful counterclaim and then interfere by act or omission with the lawful exercise of properly claimed and established rights and freedoms.
Furthermore, I claim the law of agent and principal applies and that service upon one is service upon both.
Furthermore, I claim the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture on video tape said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose as I see fit.
Affected parties wishing to dispute the claims made herein or make their own counterclaims must respond appropriately within Fourteen (14) days of service of notice of this action. Responses must be under Oath or attestation, upon full commercial liability and penalty of perjury and registered in the Notary Office herein provided no later than fourteen days from the date of original service as attested to by way of certificate of service.
Failure to register a dispute against the claims made herein will result in an automatic default judgment and permanent and irrevocable estoppel by acquiescence barring the bringing of charges under any statute or Act against My Self Freeman-on-the-Land ________:________
Place of claim of right:
Dated: __________________________________
Claimant: _________:_________
Notary Public: ____________________________
Use of a Notary is for attestation and verification purposes only and does not constitute a change in status or entrance or acceptance of foreign jurisdiction.
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onijunbei <brianbourju@yahoo.com> Jan 03 11:12AM -0800 ^
Oh Wow!!! the old FMOTL (freeman on the land) and Robert Menard comes
back to jog my memory!!!
Thanx Donna
Jarred Sawczyszyn <sawczyszyn2554@gmail.com> Jan 03 11:14AM -0800 ^
Interesting... Is this an active CASE?
Because I cant seem to find your Case # on the Fidelity Municipal Fund
look up...
jgroup01 <jgroup01@hotmail.com> Jan 03 06:06AM -0800 ^
So, how do you claim proof of ownership if State issued the
Certificate of Title .who has / where is the Title ?
Max Kuzkin <kuzkinmax@gmail.com> Jan 03 11:11AM -0800 ^
State issues the Title when the MCO/MSO was turned in by the dealership SOME
of the time however this is not all the time... A lot of dealerships
actually just make you fill the Title and Registration form out at the
dealership, the MCO/MSO remains with the dealer in the customer's jacket of
information and filed away once finalized....
If it is a newer car you can go back to the dealership have them pull the
customer jacket and see what is in it.... the MCO/MSO might be in there...
you MIGHT be able to get that, they can make you a copy of the bill of
sale...
If it is an older car than you can call the manufacturer, tell them you are
the new owner of the car and you would like to be put on as the owner in
case there might be a recall, when they are done putting it in their
computer system ask them for a certificate, or proof that it is now
registered with the manufacture....
Who did you give the title to? that would be the last person or Entity to
have it right?
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james darby <jdeasyas123@yahoo.com> Jan 03 11:03AM -0800 ^
we as real man and women do not sue we lein only corporations sue each other
james darby <jdeasyas123@yahoo.com> Jan 03 11:07AM -0800 ^
I right on all my envelopes return for cause I as a man have no known memory of legal duty to act as a fiction
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"Scott R. Martin" <martin456@mac.com> Jan 03 10:40AM -0800 ^
Doug Riddle A4V and website access;
This is current: Commercial free download conference call with Sam Davis, Doug Riddle 12/29/2009
https://download.yousendit.com/TzY3S3hkNmMyWGQzZUE9PQ
Doug Riddle website: http://catsa4v.homestead.com/
Password is: methis (as in Riddle me this)
Here you will find examples of A4V wording + addresses of 3 IRS offices known to properly process
A4V paperwork.
Thank you for this opportunity to expand funds under Public Policy for credit to the United States Treasury
in order to help service the National Debt.
Should I not receive back these original signature instruments and an IRS Form 8121 in this matter within
10 (Ten) days, I will rely on your silence that this matter is Set-Off, Settled, and Closed.
"Scott R. Martin" <martin456@mac.com> Jan 03 10:11AM -0800 ^
This is current:
Commercial free download conference call with Sam Davis, Doug Riddle 12/29/2009
https://download.yousendit.com/TzY3S3hkNmMyWGQzZUE9PQ
Doug Riddle website: http://catsa4v.homestead.com/ Password is: methis (as in Riddle me this)
Here you will find examples of A4V wording + addresses of 3 IRS offices known to properly process
A4V paperwork.
Thank you for this opportunity to expand funds under Public Policy for credit to the United States Treasury
in order to help service the National Debt.
Should I not receive back these original signature instruments and an IRS Form 8121 in this matter within
10 (Ten) days, I will rely on your silence that this matter is Set-Off, Settled, and Closed.
Brooklyn <privateside1@gmail.com> Jan 03 09:10AM -0800 ^
There are many as well as myself who received a pre-filled 2009 1096
forms from IRS in the strawman name but no dashes in the SS#.
Please post opinions as to why you think this is happening.
ParadigmShifter <earthsaverproducts@gmail.com> Jan 03 08:49AM -0800 ^
How about more discussion on how to keep situations from actually
appearing before a Judge?
A few weeks ago a caller - (could have been the gent with the name of
LivingWater?) seemed to have a way for - maybe this worked just for
him because of his "status" - to submit paperwork - (the process
seemed to have a name) - that kept things from going to a physical
appearance before the Court.
I'm only thinking of those, like my son, (and myself as well) who are
not practiced enough to direct things under intimidation.
Or, as demonstrated in the Chicago Workshops, could it be as simple -
but NOT at all easy - as preventing the Court from gaining personam
jurisdiction?
Specifically, I'm thinking of a OWI ticket.
Thank you,
ParadigmShifter
mnres <marcaymar@gmail.com> Jan 03 07:37AM -0800 ^
I have had a real estate Trust Account for years and the bank sends
the original checks back to me…
Can this account be claimed on an OID abandonment process and if not
is there a way to send the
original instruments to the Treasury and get refunded?
Nun <service@mbartonproductions.com> Jan 03 07:21AM -0800 ^
How old is this recording. I was told here on the forum many times
that Anna Medlock no longer did offsets. Could you confirm
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