Creditors-in-commerce daily digest for 01/15/2010

Updates to creditors in commerce

Today's Topic Summary

• Jerry Kane on AFV [1 Update]
• I got a way that worked for me ---Sued by Hospital. Any help? [1 Update]
• session #3 Birth Certificate Bond [1 Update]
• [uccredemption] Wow! Proof U.S. is a corporation [1 Update]
• Edward Mandell House [2 Updates]
• how to access my ss# account and pay debts [1 Update]
• Effect of A4V on a perfected claim [2 Updates]
• Power of Attorney [2 Updates]
• origin/ usage of term "TRUE BILL IN COMMERCE" [1 Update]
• PLEASE SEND ORGANIZATION WRITE UP [1 Update]
• LIEN AN AUTO [1 Update]
• Becoming a Creditor: Window of opportunity will close: Meaning??? [2 Updates]

Topic: Jerry Kane on AFV

cdsea10 Jan 16 02:07AM -0800 ^

can you put a link to the web page to download the file... thanks

Topic: I got a way that worked for me ---Sued by Hospital. Any help?

reporteroad@aol.com Jan 16 04:24AM -0500 ^

I responded to a similar case like this and won:

Filed with court with a promisory note,
named the judge fiduciary (Form 56),
filed a Notice of Appointment of Fiduciary Trustee,
Notice of Acceptance of Oath of Office and Bond, Filed a
Verified Judicial Notice and Undertaking, and Letter Rogatory.
The front page of the filing was the killer one.
It consisted of a hand-written Notice of Settlement of Demand for
Payment with Promissory Note.
This last one it simply said:
"Notice to Agent is Notice to Principal, Notice to Principal is Notice to
Agent.
Now, by Special Appearane, Marvin Ramirez tendered full payment to
purported
Creditor Angeles Rodriguez and Attorney for Plaintiff Stephen M. Kappos.
I order this Court to settle this account.
Signed and dated.
This included proof of service.

This happened after the lawyer won judgment to force me to hand him in all
last three years of commercial activities of my business and myself. For the
Plaintiff was $1,650, and $4,500 for her attorney.
After having been ordered to give them my contracts, business licenses,
ficticious names, cars pink slips, etc, I had to do nothing.
Two months later, the lawyer tried to intimidate me by sending me a copy of
the court order/judgement that forced me to pay the lawyer, I sent it back A4V
and copy of my TRADE NAME Certificate, prohibiting him and impossing a schedule
fee if he ever used my name again. The fee was $10,000 per breach. I never
heard from him again.

Let me know if you're interested in pursuing this strategy, and I would be
happy to fax you what I did. But please write me back at marvinrami@aol.com for
better response.

marvin ramirez

Topic: session #3 Birth Certificate Bond

googlegroupmember Jan 16 01:19AM -0800 ^

mcsilver - I concur with ubiquitousme. Thanks for bringing this up
because i asked before and no one replied. im not letting that stop
me. it wouldnt be right.

the document says what it is you want to do. if they don't reply in 72
hours or 21 or 30 days, stating imperfection, it is done.

if you are like me there i no one who will alllow me to use their
name, and i wouldn't ask them. if there's a problem with the amount i
wrote

person authorized to administer oaths by the law who is that ? the
bailiff, the notary, the sheriff, the judge whoever by law is
authorized to administer oaths

(b) A protest is a certificate of dishonor made by a United States
consul or vice consul, or a notary public or other person authorized
to administer oaths by the law of the place where dishonor occurs. It
may be made upon information satisfactory to that person. The protest
must identify the instrument and certify either that presentment has
been made or, if not made, the reason why it was not made, and that
the instrument has been dishonored by nonacceptance or nonpayment. The
protest may also certify that notice of dishonor has been given to
some or all parties.

the worst that can happen is i blew 13 bucks for registered mail and
15 for the certified copy

all the other information just identifies the parties and the
certificate - its even unclear that the AFV is necessary on the BC,
since you are sending it with the bond for setoff - buy why not ? you
are who you are - Respectfully, Lou

Topic: [uccredemption] Wow! Proof U.S. is a corporation

Message Base Jan 16 12:55AM -0800 ^

And I thought THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA was a Delaware corporation.

LMAO

--Dale

Topic: Edward Mandell House

onijunbei Jan 15 10:17PM -0800 ^

Edward Mandell House had this to say in a private meeting with
President Woodrow Wilson:



“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their
biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the
people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By
such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which
will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency.
Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to
work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the
security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant
under the scheme of secured transactions.

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of
lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to
remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges.
They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value
designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not
one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident
one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible
deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund
government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form
of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge
profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a
contributor to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.”
Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we
may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our
servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and
without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high
office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot
against America.”

Message Base Jan 15 10:33PM -0800 ^

Re "Edward Mandell House had this to say in a private meeting with President
Woodrow Wilson" ... interesting, if true ... certainly, it's conceivably
true

--Dale

Topic: how to access my ss# account and pay debts

Max K Jan 15 10:16PM -0800 ^

What's wrong with a4ving your bills to IRS?

Sent from my iPhone

Topic: Effect of A4V on a perfected claim

Anne Jan 15 06:05PM -0800 ^

Karen,

I, myself, am too new to all of this to answer your question, but I
would love your contact info so that I can work with you as my Notary,
if that's ok?

Thanks,
Anne
lenaye@maine.rr.com

Max K Jan 15 10:14PM -0800 ^

Did they have to answer questions point for point or show evidence
point for point? If they they responded but did not respond point for
point then even though they sent you something it is considered a non
response and you should go forward with your claim.

If they did respond point for point then a4v it....

But remember I no nothing.

Sent from my iPhone

Topic: Power of Attorney

Tweeze916 Jan 15 08:42PM -0800 ^

I just need to get a POA printed up so I can take over for things for
my brother does anybody have one I can use?


Thanks in advance

Max K Jan 15 10:07PM -0800 ^

Poa can be for many different things. Ie: full poa, limited poa.
Decide exactly what you want to take power over and do a couple of
rough drafts. Your best knowledge is to learn legal docs and do them
yourself. You find true knowledge and power throught that knowledge.

Sent from my iPhone

Topic: origin/ usage of term "TRUE BILL IN COMMERCE"

taranova Jan 15 09:28PM -0800 ^

What does true bill mean?

Topic: PLEASE SEND ORGANIZATION WRITE UP

Bob Jan 15 09:06PM -0800 ^

Thanks Bruce

On Dec 10 2009, 4:21 am, "Bruce Meyers"
wrote:

Topic: LIEN AN AUTO

james darby Jan 15 06:49PM -0800 ^

tim turner paper work thats what you are doing basically liening whatever is yours if they want it pay the lien and you can have it

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Max Hemmingway wrote:

From: Max Hemmingway
Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] Re: LIEN AN AUTO
To: "Creditors in Commerce"
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:14 AM

Putting a lien on a vehicle of any kind is simple. We do it all the
time for people who have judgments against them. Each state has it's
own forms for doing this. We simply have people who want to protect
their vehicles get a standard form from their department of motor
vehicles or most any used car dealer and a release of lien form and
then we fill it out and send it in. Then we send the release of lien
form signed by us back to the person and they can file it at any time.
This protects them from anything that might happen to us in the future
and also guarantees them that we will not be able to go take their
vehicle for any reason even if we wanted to which of course we don't.

You can't lien your own vehicle and if you "sell" it to someone else
such as a family member or a friend your judgment creditors can get it
reversed. Since we are a corporation they can't claim that you are
trying to hide assets. You get a real loan document copy so you can
show it to judgment creditors or any court of law and prove that your
vehicle isn't free and clear so they can't take it.
Of course, our liens are always for at least double what the vehicle
is worth so if they did get stupid and grab it without checking we
would go after them for the full amount of the lien and they would
have to pay us before they could dispose of the vehicle. We would then
remit the amount we got from them to you and you could then go out and
buy an even better vehicle than what they took.

Of course, not to worry about that because no judgment creditor is
dumb enough to grab a vehicle without first checking to see if it is
free and clear or not. We have the perfect hidey-hole for those with
judgments against them. Of course, it is much better if you get your
hidey-hole in place before the judgment actually happens.

http://www.mysexydevices.com
http://docs.google.com/?pli=1#all
http://tinyurl.com/ybevmte ------>Creditors-in-commerce links page
http://sites.google.com/site/cap1sucks/
Another great google group
Synopsis of last 50 topics for this group

(302) 360-8448

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Topic: Becoming a Creditor: Window of opportunity will close: Meaning???

"Mr.Zeph" Jan 15 08:52PM -0500 ^

> always an interpretation of each individual....would you agree?).

> braindead after half a day of conference calls, forgive the semi-
> coherent ramble...

The only perspective I'm trying to bring across that the answer can be
found with basic critical thinking skills and a bit of research. What
is this window of opportunity? Offered by who? To who? Under what
conditions? When was this "window of opportunity" presented? Can
someone provide documentary evidence of this so-called "window of
opportunity"? If so, I'm happy to look at the facts and evidence and
come to a conclusion, but to the best of my knowledge this "window of
opportunity" is just folklore from people in this movement. Honestly,
I'm utterly stunned at how much is accepted at face value in this
movement.

I keep going back to my mantra that remedy to the issues that bug us
are going to be simple, feet-on-the-ground, ordinary--banal, even,
information. Remedy is found though simple and solid education, I
think. Or at least the remedies that I'm going for are.

Raam T Jan 15 06:09PM -0800 ^

And I would offer for consideration that this would not fall into the
category of questions
for which our intellectual capacities are the appropriate ones of our range
of capacities
and that that doesn't mean it's just folklore. Even though it is probably
covered in such.
And acknowledging it as a possibility beyond reach of facts and critical
thinking also
does not mean one accepts it as fact or for face value - even though many
might indeed
do that, which I would agree would not be a functional approach.

I am thus asking you to evaluate if you are being discerning enough or
generalizing
to an extend that doesn't pay justice to reality and thus wouldn't be
functional either.

Just food for thought...

> going to be simple, feet-on-the-ground, ordinary--banal, even, information.
> Remedy is found though simple and solid education, I think. Or at least the
> remedies that I'm going for are.

--
Rasmus Raam Toerper

Global Environmental Fuel Technology LLC
yourgeft@gmail.com
Direct: (310) 402-6235
Office: 866-442-5557

www.OmStar.com

14761-G Franklin Avenue
Tustin, CA 92780

"We Make Going Green Profitable"

Today's Topic Summary

• Jerry Kane on AFV [2 Updates]
• The Extra Mile - (Creditor) Meditation from Anthony De Mello's "The Way to Love" [2 Updates]
• Becoming a Creditor: Window of opportunity will close: Meaning??? [4 Updates]
• Where Can One Find or Get a EIN For 4419 Application? [1 Update]
• How...? [3 Updates]
• I-9 The evolution of creditors? [1 Update]
• can my five and three year old become secured party creditors [1 Update]
• HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS [1 Update]

Topic: Jerry Kane on AFV

Donna Lee Jan 14 01:09AM -0500 ^

Jerry Kane rocks

Just got off the phone with him. He's one of those amazing people who really thinks outside the box. He's a real credit to what we're trying to accomplish, and he really cares about people which seems fairly rare these days. Jerry Kane is definitely one of the top 3 that I advocate.

Donna Lee
www.NotaryPresenters.com

> I only got to about 20 minutes into the show so far, but thought you'd
> be interested:
__________.
http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/

Procreator Jan 14 04:02AM -0800 ^

I agree Donna, Jerry is the Bomb.

Topic: The Extra Mile - (Creditor) Meditation from Anthony De Mello's "The Way to Love"

Raam Jan 14 12:41AM -0800 ^

The thread below just inspired me to post one of the meditations from
a beautiful, short little book by Anthony De Mello, titled "The Way to
Love". I was inspired to post it to help us develop an attitude of
love and compassion towards even easy-to-hate people like the
Rothschild's mentioned in that thread, but also for its relevance for
walking the path of the creditor in general, hope you enjoy it...

here's the thread link

p.13 (just so happens...)

THE EXTRA MILE

"And if anyone would sue you and take your coat, let him have your
cloak as well. If a man in authority makes you go one mile, go with
him two miles." - Matthew 5:40-4l

If you take a look at the way you have been put together and the way
you function you will find that inside your head there is a whole
program, a set of demands about how the world should be, how you
should be and what you should want. Who is responsible for the
programming? Not you. It isn’t really you who decided even such basics
as your wants and desires and so called needs; your values, your
tastes, your attitudes. It was your parents, your society, your
culture, your religion, your past experiences who fed the operating
instructions into your computer. Now, however old you are or wherever
you go, your computer goes along with you and is active and operating
at each conscious moment of the day, imperiously insisting that its
demands be met by life, by people and by you. If the demands are met,
the computer allows you to be peaceful and happy. If they are not met,
even though it be through no fault of yours, the computer generates
negative emotions that cause you to suffer.

For instance, when other people don't live up to your computer's
expectations, it torments you with frustration or anger or bitterness.
Another instance: When things are not under your control or the future
is uncertain, your computer insists that you experience anxiety,
tension, worry. Then you expend a lot of energy coping with these
negative emotions. And you generally cope by expending more energy
trying to rearrange the world around you so that the demands of your
computer will be met. If that happens you will be granted a measure of
precarious peace; precarious because at any moment some trifle (a
delayed train, a tape recorder that doesn't work, a letter that
doesn't arrive - anything) is going to be out of conformity with your
computer's programming and the computer will insist that you become
upset again.

And so you live a pathetic existence, constantly at the mercy of
things and people, trying desperately to make them conform to your
computer’s demands, so that you can enjoy the only peace you can ever
know – a temporary respite from negative emotions, courtesy of your
computer and your programming.

Then you will understand how profound this statement is: “If a man
wants to sue you for your shirt, let him have your coat as well. If a
man in authority makes you go one mile, go with him two.” For it will
have become evident to you that real oppression comes, not from people
who fight you in court or from authority that subjects you to slave
labor, but from your computer whose programming destroys your peace of
mind the moment outside circumstances fail to conform to its demands.
People have been known to be happy even in the oppressive atmosphere
of a concentration camp! It is from the oppression of your programming
that you need to be liberated.
Only then will you experience that inner freedom from which all social
revolution must arise for the powerful emotion, the passion that
arises in your heart at the sight of social evils and impels you to
action, will have its origin in reality, not in your programming or
your ego.

Raam Jan 14 12:49AM -0800 ^

PS: I like the last part the best, don't miss it :-)

Topic: Becoming a Creditor: Window of opportunity will close: Meaning???

Raam Toerper Jan 13 11:45PM -0800 ^

The meek shall inherit the earth...indeed...personally, I often like the
picture that
emerges when one interprets sacred scripture metaphorically, but also
literally - and
how the greatest challenges and greates opportunities tend to be different
sides of
the very same coin...put those two together and it could look something like
this:

One of the greatest challenges for creating a world that works for all life,
is the degree
of centralization of power and resources in the hands of very few,
seemingly...misguided
individuals. no, FAMILIES. Now what if the meek were to literally inherit
the earth - bodhisattvas
born to be the heirs of these few epicenters of power, evolved beyond reach
of the massive
brainwashing and imprinting used by these families to maintain their agenda
(imagine how much
time and energy is spent manipulating John Doe, multiply that a few timesby
itself...), sleepers
destined to awake one day with the power of half the worlds resources in
their hands and
the highest good of all life in their hearts...suddenly, centralization
become such sweet,
beautiful thing, like giant screw chaining our planet to the path of
destruction, tightened
just a bit too far...

Hmm, now let me add another thought regarding the "powers to be".

Have you seen Avatar? (Sooo good, watched it 3 times and counting...).

In one scene, before the final battle, the protagonist preys to Eiwa,
Goddess of the Na'vi (the
big blue people) to help them in battle. The future high priestess sees that
and basically says
""Eiwa never takes sides, she only protects the balance of life".

Jack Smith has a great scripture-based theory on why the power to be have
held so much power
in recent centuries - being the ones that have been doing the right thing
for the wrong reasons, while
the children of God have been doing the wrong things for the right reasons.
A version of that integrated
with the wisdom of the Na'vi might be, that the powers to be's agenda -
reducing world population to
500 million by any means and controlling the rest via global military
dictatorship - while appearing about
as evil as it gets from an individual perspective, from a universal
perspective 5 billion people is a drop of
water on a hot stone - and might have so far been the most comprehensive and
executable plan to
bring back a certain degree of balance of life back to this planet and allow
life to continue here.
This is what is changing now. Through the collective brain of the world wide
web the knowledge and
wisdom of east and west and literally millions of benevolent organizations
and billions of people is
in the process of integrating to form and actionable alternative - and with
it, the power and resources
have begun to effortlessly and unstoppably change hands...

...so who's there really to blame for anything? are we not all but playing
our roles in the push and
pull of light and dark? Are we not all just as much cause as we are effect?

In any case, life will survive. It will balance itself. We are in the
process of deciding what is necessary for
that to happen. How much evolutionary pressure does it take for to
collectively wake up from the insane
dream we have been dreaming, to truly see, appreciate and shepard all life.
The time of the great
decision, yes, composed of trillions of small decisions throughout history
and from hereon out,
16 billion years down, ~3 to go. Maybe (this phase of) the game of life,
like all games, in retrospective
will be defined by it's last seconds. 10% percent of all humans that ever
lived (well, according to our
history) are alive today. And maybe together we're about to decide what the
efforts and lives of all that
came before us end up amounting to...what an honor and pleasure to be alive
today - especially being
who and where we are, with the knowledge and resources we hold and the
communities we're a part
of, like this one especially, having the potential to play a vital role in
what's to come...

...and maybe that's all just crazy talk. Who knows. The Buddha says there's
just one truth - and that
is everything is true, or nothing is true. So as for my part, this is all
just an entertaining illusion and
I can't take any of it too serious anymore and get all hot and bothered
about it, rather enjoy the game
of co-creation with awesome people like you...

--
Rasmus Raam Toerper

Global Environmental Fuel Technology LLC
yourgeft@gmail.com
Direct: (310) 402-6235
Office: 866-442-5557

www.OmStar.com

14761-G Franklin Avenue
Tustin, CA 92780

"We Make Going Green Profitable"

Raam Toerper Jan 13 11:55PM -0800 ^

oh, had it ever stopped?
--
Rasmus Raam Toerper

Global Environmental Fuel Technology LLC
yourgeft@gmail.com
Direct: (310) 402-6235
Office: 866-442-5557

www.OmStar.com

14761-G Franklin Avenue
Tustin, CA 92780

"We Make Going Green Profitable"

Raam Toerper Jan 13 11:57PM -0800 ^

the ass-kicking that is...

maybe it just came home at last, not enough butts left to kick
elsewhere...too bad

> 14761-G Franklin Avenue
> Tustin, CA 92780

> "We Make Going Green Profitable"

--
Rasmus Raam Toerper

Global Environmental Fuel Technology LLC
yourgeft@gmail.com
Direct: (310) 402-6235
Office: 866-442-5557

www.OmStar.com

14761-G Franklin Avenue
Tustin, CA 92780

"We Make Going Green Profitable"

Raam Toerper Jan 14 12:46AM -0800 ^

this thread just inspired me to make another post, which you might enjoy in
this context:

PS: forgive me if my last post sounded heartless or sarcastic, not meant
that way,
the part of me that might have seen too many parts of this world and knows
too much
of its (recent) history kinda blurted that out...

> 14761-G Franklin Avenue
> Tustin, CA 92780

> "We Make Going Green Profitable"

--
Rasmus Raam Toerper

Global Environmental Fuel Technology LLC
yourgeft@gmail.com
Direct: (310) 402-6235
Office: 866-442-5557

www.OmStar.com

14761-G Franklin Avenue
Tustin, CA 92780

"We Make Going Green Profitable"

Topic: Where Can One Find or Get a EIN For 4419 Application?

Neo Jan 13 11:33PM -0800 ^

If I understand correctly, one shouldn't use a corporate number,
therefore how does one find or obtain one for a private filing?

Topic: How...?

Donna Lee Jan 14 12:57AM -0500 ^

Maverick, welcome
You are among kindred spirits here.

Realize that we were all inundated and indoctrinated into a system that was designed and orchestrated to bring us down, to make us run faster and faster on the mouse wheel for less and less. It's wonderful to see more people waking up every day. I'm sure someone on here can point you to the appropriate starting audios, etc. :)

> makes asking for help foreign to me. However the type of minds and
> skills I recognize here tells me I would be a fool not to humble
> myself and say I DO NOT KNOW where to start can someone help me?

_________________________________________________________________

http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/

"Mr.Zeph" Jan 14 01:12AM -0500 ^

On 2010-01-13, at 10:43 PM, Maverick wrote:
> makes asking for help foreign to me. However the type of minds and
> skills I recognize here tells me I would be a fool not to humble
> myself and say I DO NOT KNOW where to start can someone help me?


My 2 cents:

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that the commercial redemption
movement is about getting free money. It's not.

Don't mistake it for making you immune to acting according to the very
highest ethics that you are capable of. You're not.

Do not think for a moment that you can be told what is true. You can't.

This movement does hold hope. It is also rife with charlatans,
bullshitters, people who lie for their own egos, and good people who
just don't know better. And there are a few who study long and hard
enough to figure it out and make sense of it.

Observe people. Do they have that ego-smell about them? Are they
angry? Fearful? Combative? Self-righteous? Vain? Think carefully about
what they say before accepting their words as fact.

I've started studying about may 6 months ago, and have started making
baby steps. The fact of the matter is that 90% + of the people in this
movement are gullible suckers. Another 8% are blind men honestly
searching for "the truth". Another 1% are getting really close and the
other 1% have it.

I may be wrong, but I believe that the truth is not some woo-woo
conspiracy bad-guy intern-camp evil empire out to get us. The truth is
probably closer to basic human psychology. There are good, bad, smart,
stupid, diligent, lazy, wise and foolish at all levels. Don't label
them. Use your best instincts and current-level-of-education to
discern fact from fiction.

I would suggest that you start small, affordable and applicable. Keep
your feet firmly rooted in the ground. Pretend you are in law school
being taught by an incompetent teacher. He may be nice, but do your
own research--but he might have the occasional clue to offer you.

I recommend you take one single topic that is important to you.
Perhaps it's paying your bills, monthly and on time. Perhaps it's
saving your house. Perhaps it's a court case. Perhaps it's something
as simple as a parking ticket Perhaps it's... I don't know that is
important to YOU.

Take that one topic. Ask yourself, what limits you? What are the
constraints? What is it, that if you took 100% responsibility for that
you could make come into existence would "fix your problem"?

Focus on that. And learn everything that you possible can that relates
to that topic. Look for fundamentals and focus on them. Make the very
best use of your logic and practical mindedness. Go to archives.org
and get free primers on the basics of law. Read maxims of law, and
learn to apply them everywhere. Grow your knowledge solidly, and
incrementally. Take your time. Do not rush. Learn. Study. Learn more.
Study more.

Be skeptical, practical, realistic while thinking outside of the box.

If you get into this, you are starting a whole new way of living.
Leave all fear and desperation and resentment and anger behind. Even
if all of this is pure bullshit, at the very least you'll create your
own peace. For the nuggets of truth that you do find, rely on them,
prove them. Document them and share them. Nothing teaches like teaching.

In the end, there is no one course that can teach you entire bodies of
knowledge. It takes a minimum of 4 years to become a lawyer, when
going to university. Take it for granted that if you are self-
disciplined that your own self-studies will take you at least that
long to achieve that level of competence.

In short: Choose one subject that is important to you. Focus on it.
Learn the maxims of law. Learn the fundamentals of law and the
monetary system (including accounting). If you aren't a good critical
thinker, acquire those skills. If you are, use them over time. Be
patient, focused and self-responsible.

This is not an easy path, but may, in the end, be the most rewarding
of all. There is no one way. There is what gets you results, or not.
What you do with it is up to you. Good luck and welcome.

email41@aol.com Jan 14 01:28AM -0500 ^

And there are a few who study long and hard enough to figure it out and
make sense of it.

Another 8% are blind men honestly > searching for "the truth". Another 1%
> are getting really close and the
> other 1% have it.

I second mr.zeph's statement here. Anything in this world that has great
value always comes at a great price. Whether it is the hope diamond, a great
marriage, incredible kids, or a functioning knowledge of commerce that makes
you a powerful force to deal with. Everything great will cost you great
(including your great ignorance). So be prepared to do the hard work that no one
else is willing to do, and perhaps one day we will be looking to you as a
guru.

Topic: I-9 The evolution of creditors?

truebluestar Jan 13 09:25PM -0800 ^

Hi Chris,
As I understand it, your strawman (US Citizen) is a legal fiction
(trustee), created by the federal government. It isn't you.
Operating in commerce without that entity has become almost impossible
unless you're willing to go live in the boonies somewhere. So the
trick is to keep your strawman and allow it to enter into contracts
such as the one you're considering. You can use it without being it.
If you learn to control it and declare your relationship to it, you
won't be damaged. I've been listening to Christian Walters' audio
files where he discusses this concept. You can probably find his
recordings with a search on this google group.

Love and peace,
Jim B.

Topic: can my five and three year old become secured party creditors

Natty Jan 13 09:15PM -0800 ^

Quick Question folks,

Still learning here, please bare with me. My five year old has basic
handwriting and my three year old pretty much scribbles. Is there any
way for me as the parent to assist them in becoming secured party
creditors? Can they or do they have to be able to sign an autograph
type signature?


1. Peace,
Natty

Topic: HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS

UbiquitousMe Jan 13 09:13PM -0800 ^

Tried at least 7-8 times. Maybe strike the motherlode this time?

Thanks in advance.

Daniel

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Creditors-in-commerce daily digest for 01/13/2010

Today's Topic Summary

• who is trading your bond????? [5 Updates]
• HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS [3 Updates]
• 1099 oid to check cashing business [1 Update]
• FIRST STEP to Foreign International Status. [1 Update]
• Responsibility [1 Update]
• Becoming a Creditor: Window of opportunity will close: Meaning??? [2 Updates]
• Notice of Understanding and Intent An... [1 Update]
• SS number not required by law [1 Update]
• Traffic Ticket Motion to Dismiss Points & Authorities [1 Update]
• Mortgage - enforcement [1 Update]
• Whats going on in our children's schools? [1 Update]
• Question on UCC-1 [1 Update]
• Naming myself in Court [1 Update]
• Judgement pending...Info please [2 Updates]
• Returned answer on [3 Updates]

Topic: who is trading your bond?????

Max Kuzkin Jan 12 03:36PM -0800 ^

This is a hoax

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of the one sovereign sentient Jan 12 03:58PM -0800 ^

came from here
please prove its a hoax....seems plausible from my viewpoint.....

http://www.stopthepirates.blogspot.com/

________________________________
From: Max Kuzkin
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:36:19 PM
Subject: Re: who is trading your bond?????

This is a hoax

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:52 PM, of the one sovereign sentient wrote:

You can try this if you want. Mine
>contract—UCC3-203—and to make a Claim in recoupment (Reparations) for
>fraud committed upon you when you were and infant (See UCC 3-305).

>Ok, so now you know.
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> omission does not constitute a waiver of any and/or all intellectual
> property rights or reserved rights. UCC 1-308

> Notice to Principal is Notice to Agent / Notice to Agent is Notice to

Max Kuzkin Jan 12 04:42PM -0800 ^

please prove it is not?

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:58 PM, of the one sovereign sentient <

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Eli Lilly Jan 13 02:33AM -0500 ^

Its a hoax now anyway...if you type in '1' followed by any set of numbers in the fund number box you will get the same fund over and over again.

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Kuzkin
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:42 PM
To: of the one sovereign sentient
Subject: Re: who is trading your bond?????

please prove it is not?

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:58 PM, of the one sovereign sentient wrote:
came from here
please prove its a hoax....seems plausible from my viewpoint.....

http://www.stopthepirates.blogspot.com/
From: Max Kuzkin

Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:36:19 PM
Subject: Re: who is trading your bond?????

This is a hoax

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:52 PM, of the one sovereign sentient wrote:

Donna Lee Jan 13 02:36AM -0500 ^

The Fidelity site cut off access approx 6 months ago. Good thing I retrieved all my CUSIPS, Symbols, Fund numbers back when I had a chance.

From: lucrative.empire@gmail.com
Subject: RE: who is trading your bond?????
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:33:49 -0500
To: kuzkinmax@gmail.com; locomotivate@yahoo.com

Its a hoax now anyway...if you type in '1' followed by any set of numbers in the fund number box you will get the same fund over and over again.

From: Max Kuzkin
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:42 PM
To: of the one sovereign sentient
Cc: Creditors in Commerce
Subject: Re: [creditors-in-commerce] who is trading your bond?????

please prove it is not?

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:58 PM, of the one sovereign sentient wrote:
came from here
please prove its a hoax....seems plausible from my viewpoint.....

http://www.stopthepirates.blogspot.com/

From: Max Kuzkin
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:36:19 PM
Subject: who is trading your bond?????

This is a hoax

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:52 PM, of the one sovereign sentient wrote:

Topic: HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS

NKLayne Jan 12 09:39PM -0800 ^

By the way Bruce, Great Marketing TOOL!

Donna Lee Jan 13 12:48AM -0500 ^

EXCELLENT tool Bruce, thank you very much! I almost fell offa my chair laughing at the Attorney firm name ie. DEWEY, CHEETAM & HOWE

Thanks again


Donna Lee
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> > > > > speakerbr...@yahoo.com

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onijunbei Jan 12 11:34PM -0800 ^

i will take a shot at this system as well...and why you are at it, I
could use a good vacuum, a pretty young maid, and a butler that calls
me Master Bruce. They say organization is one of the best qualities
that a successful person has. Thats why I use folders on my computer
to put documents in.

just my 2 cents

unless this topic is actually sarcastic and I am going to be sent a
bunch of docs that are satirized for my viewing pleasure.

oni

Topic: 1099 oid to check cashing business

onijunbei Jan 12 11:24PM -0800 ^

and dont be afraid to get a bank account. You already pay for the
service of banks with your taxes. Might as well use them to your
advantage. And, you can do online banking, and get direct deposit,
and you dont have to spend all that time and energy going to a check
cashing place that probably takes a percentage of your check away from
you.

just my 2 cents, in my bank account

Topic: FIRST STEP to Foreign International Status.

onijunbei Jan 12 11:21PM -0800 ^

you are already foreign. your strawman is domestic. If that makes
sense.

just my 2 cents

Topic: Responsibility

Nick P Jan 12 11:17PM -0800 ^

From the first LT sessions, my take is that responsible means not
confused and contradictory (e.g. I understand the charges and plead
not guilty).

Topic: Becoming a Creditor: Window of opportunity will close: Meaning???

taranova Jan 12 07:15PM -0800 ^

I believe by 2012 that is the end of the commercial calendar according
to the Mayans. Close all 10 SS cards by then or that window wil
close. As far as getting out of your home-maybe the effort to reduce
the populatiion and place people in internmanet camps is what he meant-
for swine flu or other reasons.

onijunbei Jan 12 11:15PM -0800 ^

my 2 cents

i agree with the above that the date mentioned(if an actual date not
construed and obstructed by spanish intervention into mayan culture)
is more a sign of a different consciousness and not an actual ending.
I think too much has been made of 2012. But it is kinda funny when
you start getting into the US Code and it only has the registration of
securities to the date of 2012(as to whether this is just a time line
to renew the statute/code or an actual ending of securities trading,
finance, and monetary involvement is unknown to me). And this also
reminds me of the Schumann Resonance and how the frequency of the
earth is changing. Throughout history, many individuals predicted an
end to the earth and the coming of Christ. Well, Christ never came,
or to some biblical scholars, the 2nd coming has come and gone a long
time ago, and this may just in fact be another mistiming of
unfortunate people wishing an end to humanity. And history has shown
frequently and repeatedly the dumbing down of whole cultures and
populations to do the bidding of a tiny majority. Life is suppose to
be simple(please dont smirk or laugh at that last statement, LOL).
But to me life is simple; get up, eat, shit, work, sleep...repeat as
long as life lets you. The only thing that complicates life is
relationships. Relationships between our friends, loved ones,
strangers, our boss, our work environment...tis my opinion the only
thing that makes life difficult. But life is what it is...an
illogical singularity in a materialistic and energy driven Universe.
The only meaning to life is whatever meaning you give it. If we keep
worrying about what may be.. instead of what is, then life just holds
negativity for our energy and spiritually driven souls. Energy is a
wave. And that wave is a frequency. And one can go thru life on the
down trough or the up trough(pronounced troff). Their is no ending to
energy. It cannot be destroyed. It can only change from one form to
another. What is a window of opportunity? Invictus: "I am the master
of my fate: I am the captain of my soul." Life is what you make of
it...and in regards to that as well, life is suppose to take you to
experience...one should never plan an experience. Life happens, and
life ends; but to master your life while you are conscious of it is
the biggest thrill of all. Fear is the greatest enemy of mankind.
And this window of opportunity talk to me is just some more of the
same old fear.

oni

Topic: Notice of Understanding and Intent An...

Nick P Jan 12 11:13PM -0800 ^

the link leads to a blank doc.

Topic: SS number not required by law

Colin Jan 12 11:00PM -0800 ^

http://www.supremelaw.org/ref/pl93-579/pl93-579.htm

Topic: Traffic Ticket Motion to Dismiss Points & Authorities

georaw Jan 12 09:51PM -0800 ^

Superior Court of _______
Central Division - Traffic
_____________________
__________, California


PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA,

"Plaintiff";

and

___________ ; "Accused"

Case No.: ___________

DEFENDANT'S NOTICE & MOTION TO DISMISS
FOR LACK OF SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION


1. ____________ moves the court for an order of dismissal.

2. The Department of Motor Vehicles and the Department of California
Highway Patrol are both departments and sub-agencies of the California
Business, Transportation & Housing agency. The departments/sub-
agencies are authorized with original jurisdiction to enforce and hold
administrative court hearings concerning California Vehicle Code,
"CVC," violations.

This judicial court does not have original jurisdiction in this case.

3. Dismissal is proper in this case because this court was not
properly petitioned with a writ of mandate, as required by law, to
invoke the subject matter jurisdiction of this court, for judicial
review of the administrative law court's order or final determination.

4. This motion is based on the attached Defendant's Memorandum Of
Points & Authorities for Notice & Motion For Dismissal For Lack Of
Subject Matter Jurisdiction, and all pleadings and papers on file.

5. Please take notice that xxxxxxxx will bring this motion for a pre-
trial hearing before this court on ______________ , at _______, in
__________.

DEFENDANT'S MEMORANDUM OF POINTS & AUTHORITIES FOR MOTION TO DISMISS
LACK OF SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION

_____________ asks the court for an Order Of Dismissal For Lack of
Subject Matter

Jurisdiction, for the following reasons:

A. Parties

1. The parties are the People Of the State Of California,

"Plaintiff";

and

_____________ , "Accused."

B. Statement of Facts

2. Officer ________ [ officer's badge number ], "Officer," issued a
Notice To Appear, "UTC," [Uniform Traffic Citation] to Accused, for
alleged violation of California Vehicle Code, "CVC," 22106 Unsafe
Backing.

3. On or about __ - __ - __,

Defendant appeared in court to straighten out an erroneous oversight
of the court. Court appearing to be backed up with paperwork and
inadequate manpower to thoroughly track all correspondence in
reference to this case and entered a failure to appear which triggered
a Drivers License Suspension with the DMW. Judge corrected mistake and
Defendant was required to make a special trip to DMV to correct this
matter.

4. Judge entered a plea of not guilty for Defendant, after Defendant
Stated that Defendant did not have enough information to make a
knowledgeable plea.

C. Points and Authorities

6. According to California Government Code, "CGC," §12850, state
agencies fall under the executive branch of the Governor:

§12850. The secretary of each agency has the power of general
supervision over, and is directly responsible to the Governor for, the
operations of each department, office, and unit within the agency.

7. According to CGC §11000, state agencies include, but are not
limited to, the Department of Motor Vehicles, "DMV," the Department of
California Highway Patrol, "CHP," the Police & Sheriff's departments,
etc:

§11000. (a) As used in this title, "state agency" includes every
state office, officer, department, division, bureau, board, and
commission.

8. According to CGC §12800, the Business, Transportation & Housing
agency is an agency of the state of California:

§12800. There are in the state government the following agencies:

State and Consumer Services; Business, Transportation and Housing;
California Environmental Protection; California Health and Human
Services; Labor And Workforce Development; Resources; and Youth and
Adult Correctional. (Emphasis added.)

9. According to CVC §1500 & §2100. The DMV & CHP are departments of
the California Business, Transportation and Housing agency: §1500.

There is in the Business, Transportation and Housing Agency the
Department of Motor Vehicles. §2100. There is in the Business,
Transportation and Housing Agency the Department of the California
Highway Patrol.

10. According to CVC §265 & §295 Words & Phrases, the commissioner is
the Commissioner of the CHP, and the director is the Director of the

DMV: §265. The "commissioner" is the Commissioner of the California
Highway Patrol.
§295. The "director" is the Director of Motor Vehicles.

11. According to CVC §1650 & §2400(b). Powers & Duties. The director
of the DMV is authorized with original jurisdiction and charged with
administering and enforcing the
(CVC) code; the commissioner of the CHP is authorized with original
jurisdiction and charged with enforcement of the laws regulating
vehicles & use of the highway:

§1650. The director shall administer and enforce the provisions of
this code relating to the department.

§2400(b) the commissioner shall enforce all laws regulating the
operation of vehicles and the use of the highways

12. According to CGC §§ 11400, 11410.20 & 11410.50, The executive
branch departments within the California Business, Transportation &
Housing agency, hereafter collectively, "Agency," which are not
expressly exempted nor are there statutes relating to the proceedings
that provide otherwise, must abide by the Administrative Procedures
Act, "APA":

§11400. (a) This chapter and Chapter 5 (commencing with Section
11500) constitute the administrative adjudication provisions of the
Administrative Procedure Act.

§11410.20. Except as otherwise expressly provided by statute:

(a) This chapter applies to all agencies of the state.

§11410.50. This chapter applies to an adjudicative proceeding
required to be conducted under Chapter 5 (commencing with Section
11500) unless the statutes relating to the proceeding provide
otherwise. (Emphasis added.)

13. According to CGC § 11425.10(a)(1 & 2), the Agency is required to
give notice of any Agency actions and is required to send a copy of
the procedure governing the action:

§11425.10. (a) The governing procedure by which an agency conducts
an adjudicative proceeding is subject to all of the following
requirements:

(1) The agency shall give the person to which the agency action is
directed notice and an opportunity to be heard, including the
opportunity to present and rebut evidence.

(2) The agency shall make available to the person to which the agency
action is directed a copy of the governing procedure, including a
statement whether Chapter 5

(commencing with Section 11500) is applicable to the proceeding.

14. According to CGC §11410.10 & §11503, an agency is required to
conduct adjudicative hearings for actions undertaken within the
purview of its authority where a state statute or an inalienable right
(to travel) is in question:

§11410.10. This chapter applies to a decision by an agency if, under
the federal or state Constitution or a federal or state statute, an
evidentiary hearing for determination of facts is required for
formulation and issuance of the decision.

§11503. A hearing to determine whether a right, authority, license or
privilege should be revoked, suspended, limited or conditioned shall
be initiated by filing a citation. (Emphasis added)

15. According to CGC §11502(a) all Agency hearings are required to be
heard by executive branch administrative law judges, not judicial
branch judges:

§11502(a) All hearings of state agencies required to be conducted
under this chapter shall be conducted by administrative law judges on
the staff of the Office of Administrative Hearings.

16. CGC §11523 provides the proper procedure for the Agency (or

Defendant) to request judicial review of the administrative Agency's
final decision or order:

§11523. Judicial review may be had by filing a petition for a writ of
mandate in accordance with the provisions of the Code of Civil

Procedure, subject, however, to the statutes relating to the
particular agency.

D. Argument

17. It is contrary to the principle of separation of powers and a
breach of due process for this judicial branch court to usurp the
executive branch administrative authority, duty & jurisdiction held by
the DMV,

18. The UTC issued to Defendant was undertaken within the purview of
the original authority and jurisdiction of the executive branch DMV,
not this judicial branch court. See CVC §1650 & §2400(b), CGC §§
11425.10(a) (1 & 2), §11503 & §11502(a), supra.

19. Defendant's unconditional right to travel is challenged by the
issuance of a UTC claiming violations of restrictive CVC conditions.
See CGC § 11503 & 11410.10, supra.

20. The Agency, not a judicial branch court, is required to initiate
an administrative Agency hearing and send notice of action and a copy
of the governing procedure to Defendant. See CGC § 11503 and §11425.10
(a) (1 & 2), supra.

21. According to CGC §11410, §11410.20, §11410.50, § 11425.10(a)(1 &

2), §11503, §11502(a), & §11523, supra, this judicial court has no
jurisdiction to lawfully
hear an administrative matter until administrative due process
procedures have been exhausted.

22. This judicial court can only review the facts and conclusions of
law found in the executive Agency's administrative final determination
or order, and only after the Agency (or Defendant) petitions for a
writ of mandate for judicial review. See CGC §11523, supra.

23. The Agency with original jurisdiction has not filed a petition for
a writ of mandate for judicial review with this judicial court in
accordance with CGC §11523. Therefore, this court has no jurisdiction
to hear this matter. E. Conclusion

24. The original jurisdiction Agency has not presented a petition to
this court, for a writ of mandate for this court to judicially review
the administrative courts final determination or order, which would
give subject matter jurisdiction to this judicial court. See CGC
§11523. 25. The original jurisdiction Agency, as shown by CVC §1650 &
§2400(b), & CGC § 11502(a), supra, has not invoked the subject matter
jurisdiction of this judicial court. See CGC §11523, supra.

26. This judicial branch court has no lawful authority to impose its
opinion, where no original jurisdiction administrative agency petition
stands in compliance with the APA requesting it to do so.

27. No judicial determination has properly been requested. The law
requires that jurisdiction be properly invoked. Without jurisdiction,
this court cannot consider this matter. This case should be dismissed
for lack of subject matter jurisdiction.

F. Petition

28. Because this court has no subject matter jurisdiction to consider
Case No.: _________________ , Defendant asks the court to grant
Defendant an Order Of Dismissal For Lack Of Subject Matter
Jurisdiction for said case.


Dated this _____ day of ________, 2010

_______________________ (signed) _____________
____________

Topic: Mortgage - enforcement

"NKLayne" Jan 12 08:28PM -0800 ^

FORM 55A
NOTICE OF HEARING FOR DIRECTIONS
(General heading)
NOTICE OF HEARING FOR DIRECTIONS

By order of the court, a copy of which is served with this
notice, a reference was directed to (person conducting reference) for the purpose of (set out
purpose or reference). The (identify party) has obtained an appointment with (name
of person conducting reference) on (day), (date), at (time), at (address) for a hearing to consider directions for the conduct of the reference in this proceeding.
IF YOU FAIL TO ATTEND, in person or by a lawyer acting for you, directions may be given and the reference may proceed in your absence and without further notice to you, and you will be bound by any order made in the proceeding.
(Date)
(Name, address and telephone number
of solicitor or party serving notice)
TO (Name and address of solicitor or
party receiving notice)

Rule 55. Default; Default Judgment

(a) Entering a Default.
When a party against whom a judgment for affirmative relief
is sought has failed to plead or otherwise defend, and that
failure is shown by affidavit or otherwise, the clerk must
enter the party's default.

(b) Entering a Default Judgment.

(1) By the Clerk.
If the plaintiff's claim is for a sum certain or a sum that
can be made certain by computation, the clerk - on the
plaintiff's request, with an affidavit showing the amount
due - must enter judgment for that amount and costs against
a defendant who has been defaulted for not appearing and who
is neither a minor nor an incompetent person.

(2) By the Court.
In all other cases, the party must apply to the court for a
default judgment. A default judgment may be entered against
a minor or incompetent person only if represented by a
general guardian, conservator, or other like fiduciary who
has appeared. If the party against whom a default judgment
is sought has appeared personally or by a representative,
that party or its representative must be served with written
notice of the application at least 7 days before the
hearing. The court may conduct hearings or make referrals -
preserving any federal statutory right to a jury trial -
when, to enter or effectuate judgment, it needs to:

(A) conduct an accounting;
(B) determine the amount of damages;
(C) establish the truth of any allegation by evidence; or
(D) investigate any other matter.
(c) Setting Aside a Default or a Default Judgment.


The court may set aside an entry of default for good cause,
and it may set aside a default judgment under Rule 60(b)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule55.htm#Rule60_b_
.
(d) Judgment Against the United States.

A default judgment may be entered against the United States,
its officers, or its agencies only if the claimant
establishes a claim or right to relief by evidence that
satisfies the court.

Topic: Whats going on in our children's schools?

Max Kuzkin Jan 12 08:16PM -0800 ^

My son came home today informing me that this private company will be coming
into his school and feeding them lunch. Needless to say I have researched
the company that is world wide and they started this around the same time
the swine flu vaccines have came out they are providing integrated food to
the children.

Furthermore they want me to sign this form giving them permission to use my
son's photo and or video any way they see fit for anything they want to do.

This form scares me, it is in the format of a TRUST and that I Grant to them
the authority to do what they want to do.

It has never been an issue for the school to take my son's picture to use
for school or local purposes however where did this private company come
from including its successors that I would be granting permission to?

I would like to get thoughts on it!

I am thinking of revoking this trust and on that day they come in to the
school picking up my son and taking him out to lunch...


Thanks
Katie
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Topic: Question on UCC-1

Ayanna Camara Jan 12 09:34PM -0500 ^

I wish to file a UCC-1 as part of my process to close out a mortgage
rescission process. I have a MRC in place that was not responded to. As
collateral on the UCC1 I will be putting the MRC, Property Legal
Description, Deed and Note that has been AFV. For this type UCC-1, would it
be correct to list the Mortgage Company as Debtor?

Thanks for your assistance.

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Topic: Naming myself in Court

Dan Ecklund Jan 12 06:06PM -0800 ^

Gordon Hall suggests: I am here AS John Doe. or, I am here to
represent John DOE. Or, I am here as authorized agent of John Doe. Or,
in Admiralty, I am here by Special Appearance (which brings it into
Admiralty) as Third Party Intervener to settle any and all matters
regarding this case.

Just repeat any or all of those until they give up and go away. They
will threaten you, ask you directly "who are you? What is your name?"
but just keep saying the above.

Topic: Judgement pending...Info please

of the one sovereign sentient Jan 12 04:01PM -0800 ^

get them to prove they followed proper procedure to the letter...which the probably did not....and then deafult them and lien them and the one signing the document for the judgement, maybe her house or car or otherwise...that should stop them using your exemption...got the same situation here....going to do the same through a notary
jsut an opinion for entertainment purposes only...LOL

________________________________
From: Caitibird
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:13:17 PM
Subject: Judgement pending...Info please

Hi,
There is a judgement pending against me that I realize I'm going to
have to bite the bullet and pay. There is no way out at this stage.
Too late and a dollar short at this point. Is it better to contact
the collector (plaintiff) or attorney and offer payment before the
judgement is granted? I am wondering if there is a real way to get a
judgement off my credit report after it has been granted. I've read
it stays on for over 7 years. And, If I send a validation of debt to
the credit reporting agencies, they could easily get a copy of the
judgement (which is a contract). I just want it to end and have as
little damage as possible at this point. Any opinions would be
appreciated.
Cait
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Max Hemmingway Jan 12 06:05PM -0800 ^

Proper procedure to the letter is definitely one of the right ways to
go. But you can't make them prove they did. You must prove they
didn't.
Is there a way out at this stage? Yes, there is. You need to respond
to the summons and complaint and fight them to the bitter end which
should be your finding violations of federal law and taking them to
federal court where you stand an excellent chance of winning and
making them forget about their judgment and pay you to go away and
leave them alone. It isn't hard to do and just to prove that
statement, more than 9,000 people have done just that in 2009 alone.

Topic: Returned answer on

Max Kuzkin Jan 12 03:39PM -0800 ^

What Max are you talking about?

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Max Kuzkin Jan 12 03:40PM -0800 ^

Which Max are you talking too?

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Dan Ecklund Jan 12 05:51PM -0800 ^

Yes, Tim Turner also describes this process, of going to court in
Admiralty as a 3rd party intervener, there to settle the dispute
between the plaintiff and your strawman. Since the claim has already
been established by your process, as you said, you may simply present
your paperwork, and the court serves to give the 3rd party intervener
the judgment. Of course, you probably need to have already
established your relationship to the strawman, and be able to document
that for the admiralty court.

Dan

Dan, very well explained. CIC seminar speakers as well as Winston
Shrout have related that the commercially-jammed-up-property-owner
whom one has liened might summons the lienholder into court as a
Defendant. Winston demonstrated how to turn oneself into 3rd party
Plaintiff with a Counterclaim that basically states "default
judgment's a done deal. im here for my check. I won. Administrative
procedure has not bee exhausted by 3rd party defendant." One aspect of
the commercially-jammed-up-property-owner
bringing the case to court for relief is that the whole process is
placed in the public record by Mr.Mrs Jammed Up. Thank you for
explaining the whole process very well. :) kathy


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Today's Topic Summary

• HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS [3 Updates]
• Buying products in the Private: is it possible? [1 Update]
• SOS [1 Update]
• filling out 1040 [1 Update]
• Help on Banking OID [2 Updates]
• the sytem will not leave me alone [1 Update]
• beneficial interest [1 Update]
• Returned Answer on [4 Updates]
• Returned answer on [1 Update]
• UNSUBSCRIBE [2 Updates]
• Canadian Creditors in Commerce TalkShoe Tuesday12 Jan night call - one hour early [1 Update]
• Mortgages [1 Update]
• LiveWater Life [1 Update]
• Birth Certificate Bond [1 Update]
• FORECLOSURES -JERRY KANE ON TALKSHOE- DAVE JUST 9PM EST MON [1 Update]
• Liberty Dollar [1 Update]
• keys to freedom the Trust [1 Update]
• Chief Financial Officer of a United States District Court? [1 Update]

Topic: HAPPY NEW YEAR = ANYONE ELSE WANT A SIMPLE METHOD FOR ORGANIZING DOCUMENTS

Neo Jan 11 05:46PM -0800 ^

Hi Bruce,

I could use a more organized system...

James

Sovereignman Jan 11 08:24PM -0800 ^

Bruce,

Would you please send me your organization method? Thank you.

Jerry


On Dec 31 2009, 5:47 pm, "Bruce Meyers"
wrote:

csandm Jan 12 12:25AM -0800 ^

Please send organization method I must have missed it too

Topic: Buying products in the Private: is it possible?

Manji Jan 11 10:44PM -0800 ^

Hello everyone~

I have a really wacky idea I was wondering anyone might be interested
in sharing some of their feedback on.

I wonder if it might be possible to sign for a product in the private;

I figure that, if it is true everything is prepaid, that our private
asset accounts are funding corporations to produce the products we
enjoy, and if there is only $$$, (<----funny money) instead of real "money" to buy a product with, could it be possible for us to sign for it in the private? I comprehend that we are much better off with credit cards but, I figure, why not give it a shot!? Basically, I think if we ask the CFO to send a presentment for a product, A4V it to turn it into a money order, mail it to the CFO with instructions to mail to the private side of the IRS, make it payable to the Treasury and the corporation you wan to "buy" from. I think when we A4V a traffic ticket, it becomes a money order but, I think we do not concern ourselves with what the recipient may do with our A4V ticket because, as far as we are concerned, we made the ticket go out of our hands and put in someone else's hands but, if we want to sign for a product, it might be helpful to know what the recipient would do with our A4V Money Order. Well, I have babbled enough about my really wacky idea. If anyone could be so kind to share their thoughts, opinions, feedback, criticisms, and or ideas, I would greatly appreciate it. Well, I wish wonderful things for everyone this 2010. Damean Loving Kindness

Topic: SOS

Vet Jan 11 09:41PM -0800 ^

Gorgecure,

You can write a bond off you birth bond or a BPN and send it to the
County Tax Collector and do a fiduciary appointment to him/her to
settle and close the matter. Make the bond or BPN out to the US
Treasury and the City or County of _________. There should be a some
info on the fiduciary appt. in the files section. You can also file a
form 56 and do a limited Fid. appt. with IRS for the Mr./Mrs.
__________, D/B/A County Tax Collector.

Just a thought anyone else have a suggestion.?/

Vet

Topic: filling out 1040

rosemary parker Jan 11 08:52PM -0800 ^

does one have to put 0's for deductions or just leave it blank as one would
do with the filing status?

Topic: Help on Banking OID

onijunbei Jan 11 12:16PM -0800 ^

maybe I can take a crack at this.

I like Jared's OID method of just making the 2 boxes the same amount
( 1 and 4 I believe)

on the 1040: I ran some numbers thru and this is what I got. My
example uses 20000 as income(from a w2)
and 20000 on an OID/1099A

line 7 is for your w2 info(20000)
line 8a would be other taxable interest(im thinking total of your
OID's/1099A's)
why? Cause one is receiving interest from the bank as income, it is
interest that came into being
from the private to the public, and now one has to claim it and pay
taxes on it.

line 22, add up all income(40000)
line 37, if you use adjustments, you would subtract this from line 22
(40000)
line 38, same as line 37(carry over amount)40000
line 40A, your standard deduction . I use the 5700
line 41 comes to 34300
line 42 exemption , mine is 3650 for this example
line 43, taxable income, 30650
line 44, the tax (yes, you have to pay tax on "money of account",
this is "use tax" on using the federal reserve banking system)
so line 44, 46, 55, and 60 are all 4176 for my example using the tax
table on page 80 for the 1040 booklet
line 61, federal income tax withheld from forms w2 and 1099
(VOILA!!!!) 20000 plus 1500 for example on w2
line 71, 21500
line 72, REFUND, 17324

so , in this example, using these figures on the lines mentioned
I have paid tax on the 20000 OID, and am receiving the difference
back, and settling the W2 as well.

Just my 2 cents
someone please correct me if I messed up
especially YOU JARED LOL ,,, love ya buddy

Jarred Sawczyszyn Jan 11 08:41PM -0800 ^

That is absolutely fabulous. lol

To be fully honest I was really tossed up on exactly how to
fill out the form 1040, I got the A/OID down.

I always over think when it comes to filling forms out, lol I
fight with the grammar with it.

You pretty much threw an example right over mine explaining the
taxes portion. Codos :-D

Always nice to have clear "examples" as a reference for thinking.
Pushes for right path.

Topic: the sytem will not leave me alone

mike gonnella Jan 11 08:25PM -0800 ^

I went to court and did not enter any plea but agreed to a trial. After the fact i realized i messed up because i agreed to go to trial. Nothing is filed on my behalf with the courts and i recieved a letter today that states This court court has accepted your not guilty plea. You have been scheduled for trial The charges our in N.Y state VTL 1225-C 02A Viol Misc Rules and VtL 0511 01A Agg unlic oper3. This is my third time driving w/o a license. If someone could help me out I am greatly thankful. I have a learning disablilty and am doing the best I can to study law/ mind games etc

Topic: beneficial interest

"J.D.B" Jan 11 10:49PM -0500 ^

Affidavit of beneficial interest
or
Notice of beneficial interest

Does anybody have a good template?

--
James of the Bogan Family
Bogan Investments LLC.
"Without Prejudice" "Without Recourse"
Skype: Bogan.Investment

Topic: Returned Answer on

Donna Lee Jan 11 08:47PM -0500 ^

Hey Dave,

Are you the same Dave who interviewed Janet Majhor from Oregon re: the Grand Jury? If so, I was very impressed with that call. You're a natural brother!


Donna Lee

From: mack2001@swbell.net
To: creditors-in-commerce@googlegroups.com
Subject: [creditors-in-commerce] Returned Answer on
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:31 -0600

You are mostly right except for the very end.
The negative averment is done ONLY by a secured party and it is done in
Admiralty so you have taken everything out of the jurisdiction of the equity
courts. They can't fold, spindle and mutilate the law to make it mean what
they want it to so they can persecute you. Admiralty is strictly contract
law and you do not go back to their court to collect. You do a Nihil Dicit
judgment and then take that into a maritime lien which is a superior lien to all
others. You can then either monetize the lien in various ways, do
involuntary BK on them (except banks) or any number of other things. We
stay out of equity from the gitgo when you do the averment. It is a paper
process. This is the Tim Turner process.

Dave

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Max Hemmingway Jan 11 06:05PM -0800 ^

> You are mostly right except for the very end. The negative averment is done ONLY by a secured party
Let's see now. The secured party is always the plaintiff in any law
suit. Defendants have no security interest in anything since they have
no note with which to secure anything. Only defendants have any need
for negative averments and they should never use them because if they
use a negative averment they must prove the negative.

and it is done in Admiralty
I presume you are talking about Admiralty Courts. Let's see what an
Admiralty Court is and where we find them.
In the United States, the federal district courts have jurisdiction
over all admiralty and maritime actions; see 28 U.S.C. § 1333.

so you have taken everything out of the jurisdiction of the equity
courts.
Ok, now that we understand what an Admiralty court is now we must turn
to equity courts to see what they are.
Definition:
A chancery court, equity court or court of equity is a court that is
authorized to apply principles of equity, as opposed to law, to cases
brought before it.

The decisions of equity courts, then, are not precedent-setting. These
courts began with petitions to the Lord Chancellor of England. Equity
courts "handled lawsuits and petitions requesting remedies other than
damages, such as writs, injunctions, and specific performance." Most
were eventually "merged with courts of law."

United States bankruptcy courts are the one example of federal courts
which operate as courts of equity. Some common law jurisdictions--such
as the U.S. states of Delaware, Mississippi, New Jersey, South
Carolina, and Tennessee--preserve the distinctions between law and
equity and between courts of law and courts of equity.

They can't fold, spindle and mutilate the law to make it mean what
they want it to so they can persecute you. Admiralty is strictly
contract law and you do not go back to their court to collect. You do
a Nihil Dicit judgment

Well, let's define that term first so everybody understands what we
are talking about.
Definition:
NIHIL DICIT
NIHIL DICIT. He says nothing. It is the failing of the defendant to
put in a plea or answer to the plaintiff's declaration by the day
assigned; and in plea or answer to the plaintiff's declaration by the
day assigned; and in this case judgment is given against the defendant
of course, as he says nothing why it should not.
That is nothing more than a default judgment which of course can only
be entered against a defendant because he failed to respond to the
complaint of the plaintiff.

and then take that into a maritime lien which is a superior lien to
all others. You can then either monetize the lien in various ways, do
involuntary BK on them (except banks) or any number of other things.
We stay out of equity from the gitgo when you do the averment. It is
a paper process. This is the Tim Turner process.

> Dave
Tim Turner may indeed be a prestigious person On the other hand, I
must admit that I may be as green as a gourd and as dumb as a fence
post so I have to get my understanding the good old fashioned way
taught to me by my daddy who used to constantly tell me, "Son, if you
don't know what a word means go look it up in the dictionary" every
time I asked him what something meant. In fact that is how I learned
about sex. I heard daddy holler "OH F~~~! when he hit his thumb with
a hammer. I ran to the dictionary and looked up the word and sure
enough, I quickly learned all about sex thanks to my good old daddy.
If he hadn't hit his thumb with that hammer I may never have learned
about sex.

Now then, Tim Turner not withstanding, I find that according to
Black's dictionary of law, an Admiralty court has jurisdiction over
vessels (not vassals) of the sea and maritime shipping disputes while
a court of equity is the one (singluar) example:
United States bankruptcy courts are the one (example) federal courts
which operate as courts of equity
In otherwords the only courts we have in our modern system of
jurisdictions which are courts of equity are United States Bankruptcy
Courts. Needless to say, we don't want to go there but on the other
hand how do we landlubbers come to operate as vessels upon the open
sea thereby coming under the jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court? I
can't even swim let alone fight sharks and whales or other denizens of
the deep.

You and many others obviously consider Mr. Turner as your source of
authority. That's fine. I have no problem with that. Let's you elect
Tim Turner and others of his ilk be your guiding lights. I'll stick
with the good old dictionary my daddy taught me to use oh so many
years ago.

Fathom Worldwide Jan 11 07:34PM -0700 ^

Tim Turner may not be an authority but his process sure does work. I'm
undefeated with it and that's good enough for me. The negative averment he
uses does rearrange the plaintiff defendant relationship. When you
counterclaim you make the plaintiff the third party defendants and you the
real man the third party plaintiff. Works every time, err, so far knock on
wood. lol

Max Hemmingway Jan 11 07:23PM -0800 ^

I may have to look into his method although I have no idea how to find
Mr. Turner or his methods. I do much the same thing except in federal
courts. Learning how to do the same thing in local courts might be
helpful indeed. I'm more than willing to look at Mr.Turner's work or
that of anyone else with an open mind.Nobody that I have run into yet
has all the answers down pat so anything "new" might be very helpful
indeed. Maybe you could guide me to some of Mr. Turner's work.



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Topic: Returned answer on

Dan Ecklund Jan 11 07:13PM -0800 ^

Max,
I think that it is unfortunate that you are ignoring years of
successful use of negative averments, as currently taught by Tim
Turner, and originated by others. There is a whole process of
negative averment, commercial claim, notice of fault/opportunity to
cure, notice of dishonor, and commercial lien that has been used quite
successfully. I have over 40 of these currently underway, mostly
against government officials, but also banks. YOU DO NOT NEED TO GO
TO COURT when you use this process. I tried the court thing, then I
listened to Gordon Hall's Rancho Cucamonga seminar and realized that
the only thing that you get when you go to court is a judgment. You
don't get any money! Collecting money is an entirely different
process. In Admiralty, you don't need to go to court to have a
judgment. You present your claim, tell how your claim may be
satisfied, and if it is unrebutted and dishonored, you establish that
through notary presentments, and then file a lien. You can then
collect from a bonding company, or from the individual, after he
realizes that the lien has royally messed up his commercial life. I
understand that TT is also working with some big names as far as doing
actual collections against these liens, bank and salary garnishments,
etc. All without going to the courts.

I suggest that you explore some of these technologies before you
pronounce them unfit.

Dan

Just shoot your harddrive!

Topic: Canadian Creditors in Commerce TalkShoe Tuesday12 Jan night call - one hour early

justanotherNAME Jan 11 06:42PM -0800 ^

Thank you. Much appreciated, eh?
Richard from NWO
(Northwestern Ontario)

mok ker wrote:

Topic: Mortgages

Neo Jan 11 06:18PM -0800 ^

Is a mortgage created in 2005 OIDable? What if it was "Modified" in
2009? If so, are the check payments mad on said mortgage also OIDable?
Are Debit card transactions OIDable?
Where might one find one's EIN?

Merci beaucoup

James

Topic: LiveWater Life

Pep Jan 11 06:13PM -0800 ^

Thanks for the Information.
We have been using rain water collected into 25,000 gallon concrete
tank on a farm. The water mostly goes through filters before it
reaches the house. Sometimes use Collodial silver carbon filter? No
Fluoride for years!!! Would you be concerned about the chemical
spraying that can end up in your water tank?

I gather rain water is alkaline, yet I am still acidic. Currently
taking Miracle Mineral Supplement to avoid antibiotics for tooth
abscess/glands infection and mostly on a very healthy diet, little to
no processed foods and love fruit and salads. My hubby reckons I don't
drink enough water. Any suggestion to further help to alkaline your
body and is there an easy way to test yourself?
How this, I recently heard at a seminar that COLD drinks are no good
for you as it can turn the fats in your body into solids! Better for
it to be room temperature.
Sorry for the questions but you seem to know what you are on about and
your post raised some important questions.
Cheers and may you find the answers you seek.
Pep

Topic: Birth Certificate Bond

im4truth Jan 11 06:09PM -0800 ^

Hi,
I made a typo on my Birth Certificate Bond and Notice. The registered
mail receipt number and subsequently the bond number was incorrectly
transcribed. The actual number begins with RB but I put in RR. How do
I correct this mistake?

Topic: FORECLOSURES -JERRY KANE ON TALKSHOE- DAVE JUST 9PM EST MON

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Topic: Liberty Dollar

UbiquitousMe Jan 11 05:47PM -0800 ^

Wow,

I have a couple hundred of those plus a few gold ones.

In fact, I frequently take them out and act like I am going to buy
something with them and try to take them back. More often than not,
people want to see it and usually buy it.

Never had any problem selling them for more than $10 each and a few
for as much as $20. If you know of anyone else who wants to unload
them for that price please let me know.

You did however, get a typical first offer price from a wholesaler.
By any chance did you counter offer?

Topic: keys to freedom the Trust

Eric Jan 11 05:26PM -0800 ^

does any one have the rest to this post in word or pdf, or at all. it
got cut off thanks

Topic: Chief Financial Officer of a United States District Court?

Jeanne Henry Jan 11 05:17PM -0800 ^

I remember reading somethere a reference stating that the Clerk of the
Court is the CFO for the USDC, but I have not been able to re-locate
the reference I once saw. Does anyone have knowledge and/or can
provide reference as to who exactly is the CFO of a United States
District Court?

Thanks.


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